Casualty Auto Selection - Engine Preference To Disable

[prastle]

@crazyg ya this all kinda came to a head again from this game

https://forums.triplea-game.org/post/8738

[General_Zod]

@crazyg I haven't confirmed it, but I think the bc might not understand cannons and the lack of true hp for them. I suspect this because it counts the cannon as a hp in the "hp totals" for each side. Or maybe that is simply a separate display error.

[General_Zod]

@prastle Both of your points ^^ are very good.

1. Capital scenario should, needs "one land unit must survive" configuration for auto select. If we creating a list of scenarios for configurations, then this is a good one.

2. Spacebar should not accept actions. Or some mechanism needed to keep your cursor in chat box until you actually move it out yourself, so it would prevent the infamous spacebar misclicks.

[prastle]

@general_zod well they added the spacebar to the new gui but lately it hasn't worked. I haven't checked .9639 yet

[prastle]

@general_zod off topic but I still reserve the right to vote PR 10 000 as The next stable

[redrum]

@General_Zod Yeah, I think coming up with a list of things that would be good to be able to configure like "one land unit must survive" is probably a better feature request that players would use.

@CrazyG Yeah, generally enemy support attachments are not handled properly by either the battle calc or default casualty selection. This is a known limitation and is fairly difficult to fix though I would like to eventually do so.

@prastle There is already an option to disable spacebar confirming casualties...

@General_Zod The battle calc HP display does seem to count infrastructure units but I don't believe this causes issues with actual calcs though I'm not positive.

[prastle]

@redrum yes I know but it hasn't functioned correctly on the few times i tested i will test again tonight with 9639

[redrum]

@prastle I wasn't aware that is the case and if so you should submit a github bug issue

I just tested it and seems to work. When the casualty selection window pops up, I have to manually click the "Ok" button and spacebar won't do it.

[prastle]

@redrum cool
then its fixed

[prastle]

@prastle as long as hitting space while chatting doesn't confirm the casualty

[Cernel]

@redrum When I proposed it years ago I had mostly in mind maps like Feudal Japan Warlords, in which it is extremely annoying having to undo the autoselect each time, before selecting.
The concept of rather improving the autoselect to cover all is a good point, theorically, but, as you see, at the distance of many years AA are still not covered (not saying they should have had, since there are many more important things to do); so, I think, especially in a volunteer based project, an opt out option, to fall back, has a good value.
Anyways, I'm not playing much of those games lately, so I'm not strong, and I agree that for most people this opt-out would have no value.
But, again, it may have a value because of that problem of spacebar selecting casualties while you are using it for chatting, but, again, that would be better if solved specifically.
But, yeah, if everything would be fully covered and nothing would have any problems (like the spacebar chatting / confirming mash up), then you would not want to have this option. Question is, will it always (or should I say ever) be?

[Cernel]

@redrum It works for me too, but I think it would be better if generally chatting would not confirm generally, since there are other things that spacebar still confirms, like politic and action proposals, but this is off topic. Mostly, I don't think that is really a solution, because it is kind of easy not spotting it, so you will still have people misclicking at random.

[General_Zod]

@redrum @prastle Problem is if you have it set to use spacebar. While chatting and not looking at game events. The cursor automatically tabs to somewhere on the game interface. This happens on nations turn start for sure, on game start and various notifications that need clicks, and there's a few other times that I don't recall atm. Anyways so while typing for chat, your actually accidently somewhere else on the game interface, clicking away. This includes on the menu as well as what ever various user actions are currently popping up.

There should be an additional mechanism to keep the cursor in the chat box during the various cases. So then it can truly be avoided.

[prastle]

@general_zod good point but i am literally reffering to while typing as now my spacebar confirms something... even when on a different webpage

[Cernel]

@redrum Yah, regarding the negative support, the autoselection is very bad for games like Blue vs. Gray, where it autoselects the inf. crack before the veterans. I would definitely opt it out if playing that game, but obviously if the selection would see that the crack are worth more than the vets, then I would not.

[prastle]

@redrum to reiterate something Cernel and I were ignored on years ago but is kinda semi fixed would be to explain in this fashion. DEFAULT settings should be typing cant cause a click!

[redrum]

Uh. There are several different conversation going on here now. Anything that isn't directly related to either disabling default casualty selection or configuration of default casualty selection should probably have a separate thread.

[General_Zod]

@redrum Due to some overlapping behaviors and then linking to others. But yes the spacebar chat issue needs its own feature request or bug report.

[prastle]

@general_zod naw I'm done with it now ignored then ignored now moving on

[Cernel]

@redrum Would that optional "slower / perfect" casualty selection you removed have handled the HoH case with negative support attachments @CrazyG is pointing out? Just mostly curious, as I never got to know what that option had to offer.