Alagaësia

[Frostion]

Looks sweet! But I can’t run the map

I just installed the latest TripleA release (http://triplea-game.org/download/), then downloaded your map, placed it in downloadedMaps, I can see the 2 player and 4 player version, I can chose a version and see the player names and alliances. But when I press play it tries to load and goes back to menu.

Maybe you should think about changing the name from Alagaësia to Alagaesia, Most folks probably can or won’t type with umlaut. I am surprised that the engine can even handle it.

[wc_sumpton]

@frostion
I think the problem is 'smallmap.jpeg' vs 'smallMap.jpeg' in the zip file. It seems to work just fine unzipped though.

Cheers...

[alkexr]

@wc_sumpton Are you saying that in a normal folder it is case insensitive, but in a zip it's case sensitive? Anyway, fixed, hopefully.

@Frostion Try to start the game, it throws you back to the main menu. Then start any other map, when in game go Debug -> Show console, and you should see the error message. Just a trick for when you next encounter this.

[Frostion]

Yes, the minimap should be renamed smallMap.jpeg if it has to work while zipped.

[Cernel]

@alkexr The only way to be sure would be that you test it on a case sensitive system (Linux etc.). Zipping makes some things case sensitive also in case insensitive systems, but not in all places. Still, if you are in a case insensitive system, testing zipped is a way to be considerably safer.

[redrum]

@alkexr Some interesting concepts. The whole system around casters/wards and canceling out rolls is pretty unique. I will say that I'm guessing the battle calc probably performs poorly with all the enemy support attachments of dice/rolls. Good test map to figure out the best way to implement taking into account enemy support attachments better

Also, the green units are really tough to see because of the dark green background with dark green units.

[General_Zod]

@alkexr Nice looking map for a quikie. I particularly like how you shaped the mountain territories to fit the mountain peaks.

[Cernel]

@redrum said in Alagaësia:

Also, the green units are really tough to see because of the dark green background with dark green units.

That's a drawback of my suggestion of going with a whitened units' colour for units' borders, instead of plain white.
Maybe try using this, see it gets better from your p.o.v. or not:
https://forums.triplea-game.org/assets/uploads/files/1522774838982-units.zip
(my second suggestion of silver coloured borders).

Making borders yellow or gold would be a sure solution, but maybe overkill.

[General_Zod]

@alkexr

Tried the map in a 4player multi today. Some issues and here's the save game.

1. The boats don't attack each other thus can't kill each other.

2. The artwork for some strange reason only shows for some players in the game and others basic version is shown. The view does not have the option to view details either.

3. Might be cool to be able to build walls anywhere, not just in cities. But really too early to say for sure.

4. Not sure on balance since Surda was misplayed on open. But Verda was able to make a comeback, just not enough. Btw was all humans playing.

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I do like the map though. Nice to have another fast multi available. Nice job for 1 week.

[General_Zod]

@alkexr

So I found the issue with artwork not being available intermittently.

It depends on if the previous map was set to show map detail or not.

The map.hasRelief=true fixed it. Now the option is available all the time, even if it opens in plain mode.

Btw, @redrum, thank you no more silly zips needed to make small changes.

[General_Zod]

@alkexr

Found the boat issue.

This needs to be false since combat boats are also transports.

"Ignore Transport In Movement"

Or can add " isCombatTransport" value="true" to the unit attachment, but you have only 1 type of boat, so both ways will work.

[prastle]

@alkexr I am guessing since no reponses it's ok if we keep working on this map without your input?

[General_Zod]

@alkexr

I played the 4 player multi version again. I have more suggestions and a save game for ya.

This time Surda and Dwarves were played by one guy. Also added 1 wall + 2 humans to Cithri via edit. This takes away Empires easy r1 conquest of the territory. However they can take it if the are willing to sacrifice a dragon rider.

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The game was looking ok until a miscalc caused Sudra to lose Cithri on r3 and Varden allies conceded on r4.

So feedback from the allies and myself is that dragon riders are very cool. But there should be a limit or upkeep or both applied to empires ability to buy them. An alternate even cooler suggestion is to get them with random but short quests. Maybe something like purchase the dragon riders and they need to get to the territories with the eggs. At which time they get full powers of rider and dragon.

Example, Eragon must get Saphira's egg. Making them unique and unreplaceable might be cool.

1. Game notes are short but not so clear. Could use a rewrite.

2. Game notes incorrectly list dragon riders abilities.

3. Elves start with one dragon rider but can not buy any, is this accidental?

4. Cavalry should get blitz ability.

5. Should Surda build urgals?

6. Adjust dragon rider production so they can't be exploited early or easily.

Btw I made an alternate color scheme for the @prastle, he has trouble with certain colors. Take a look it, maybe just make it official.

link updated 05.27.2018
https://www.sendspace.com/file/ih90jk

One last note, maybe the magic and tuff units can have a color coded highlight to help people identify what's what. Using white highlight for basic units, fluorescent green for toughness and fluorescent orange for magic users.

[alkexr]

@prastle Sorry for that, it's not that I wasn't interested. It's just that due to recent events I've completely lost faith in humanity and the hope that people will ever stop making the same mistakes over and over again. So at the moment I don't feel overly motivated. Polish the map as you want, if you feel like.

[prastle]

@alkexr Sorry if I offended.

[General_Zod]

@alkexr

I'm sorry to hear that your going through some difficult stuff lately. I hope it's not too bad.

Ok I will tweak away on this map. The goal will just be a fast multi version that feels balanced and fun.

[Cernel]

@general_zod Bright yellow is probably not a good choice, because it makes the units hard to distinguish and it may be tiresome to the eyes.

[alkexr]

It didn't kill me. It made me stronger.

Okay so I will try to catch back up to speed.
First, I fixed @General_Zod 's boat and relief issue, as well as incorrect map notes for dragon riders. I will take a look at the rest later.

Second, did you (as a collective) make progress with the map past what is in this thread? If not, I will jump right back into development, with the goal being to release an 1.0 in the official repository, after the rest of the feedback/balance issues have been adressed. This is first priority in my "TripleA project" right now.

[General_Zod]

@alkexr I did play another couple more games. In 4 player mode only. Even though half of those were really just 1v1 in 4 player mode.

1. Anyways it seems that balance is very close if we also place limitations on new dragon riders. Basically no new dragon riders for anyone, including as replacements for killed ones. This would basically be removing them completely from all production frontiers. (we just player enforced it)

2. Also added 1 wall + 2 humans to Cithri via edit. This takes away Empires easy r1 conquest of the territory. However they can take it if the are willing to sacrifice a dragon rider.

3. You would have to open up the Hadarack Desert to give more available strategies. But the current setup is cool for a fast map.

4. I preferred using the 4player mode even in 1v1 play because the asymmetry makes it more interesting. However others may like pure symmetry from an economic standpoint, for a 1v1.

[alkexr]

New version (download from the same link in the first post). Changes:

• Territory names now use their original weird characters. Also fixed a misspelling.
• Sea territory names now have blue glow instead of white.
• Added game option to make dragon riders non-purchaseable.
• Dragon riders now cost 32 -> 42
• Elves can purchase dragon riders.
• Added game option to allow wall placement anywhere. This also limits the number of walls that can be placed in any territory each turn to 1.
• Added 2 humans and a wall to Cithrí to prevent round 1 conquest by the Empire.

@General_Zod

• I don't think cavalry (or any unit on this map) should get blitz. In the presence of huge stacks you would just simply leave 1 fodder unit on each territory, which is not a significant loss if it dies, but it prevents the blitz of up to a zillion enemy cavalry. Some superblitz-like ability previously discussed on the forum might make sense. Until then I will only consider using blitz if a map has small enough stacks that the loss of a fodder unit might be significant.
• Urgals didn't really participate on either side of the conflict due to their general distrust toward humans (except in the battle of Farthen Dûr bound by the spells of Durza), but they are very iconic to the universe so I think they should be represented. The Urgals of Surda represent the tribe of Nar Garzhvog.
• The Hadarac Desert is as impassable as anything gets, Eragon never crossed it, not even on dragonback, only the edges. Opening it up would also expose parts of the map with only minimal amount of details.

Unresolved issues:

• Inadequate unit visibility
• Stack numbers visibility
• Incomplete and messy game notes