Middle Earth: Battle For Arda - Official Thread

  • @hepps Helms Deep is... I'm not sure about the term, but I think it's a ravine, a deep, narrow valley. Hornburg blocks the entrance to the Valley. And the Glittering Caves open from Helms Deep, those are the caves.

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    @alkexr I saw. My post and your revision post landed on the forum at the very same moment.

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    Well here is a little preview minus some of the finishing touches....

    0_1529278379959_Hournburg the preview.png

    Whatever late hour changes Ilúvatar deems necessary will of course shape the world of Elves, Dwarves and Men.

    'For Ilúvatar (known in common tongue as @alkexr )is the Lord for Always who dwells beyond the world; who made it and is not of it nor in it, but loves it.'

  • @hepps "And he showed to them a vision, [...] and they saw a new World made visible before them [...] And as they looked and wondered this World began to unfold its history, and it seemed to them that it lived and grew. [...] Ilúvatar said again: [...] each of you shall find contained herein, amid the design that I set before you, all those things which [...] he himself devised or added. And thou [...] wilt perceive that they are [...] a part of [...] its glory."

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    The source of all things foul...

    0_1529325139702_Barad Dur.png

  • While the relief map is being done, I'm working on some less spectacular stuff. After the territory effects rework, now units will be reworked. (At the same time, the game xml is going to be integrated with TagX, at least partially.)

    First of all, a new ability will be added: shield is the equivalent of armor, except it works against ranged units, as opposed to armor which works against melee units.

    Second, "axe cavalry" and similarly uncreative units are going to be replaced with more immersive ones. To this end all players will get more unique units, and generic units will become less prevalent.

    Northmen already have their new unit set (as well as new color):
    Sorry for the map graphics, everything got screwed up with the map changes, so I'm now stuck with this sh... stuck with whatever this is.


    The five new units are:

    • beorning warrior: 5 PUs, moves 2, 4 attack, 2 defense, 1 shield, has mountainwalk
    • woodman: 5 PUs, moves 2, 1 attack, 3 defense, 4 antiair, 2 ranged bonus, forest dweller
    • barding infantry: 7 PUs, moves 2, 3 attack, 4 defense, 2 formation, 2 armor, 2 shield
    • raider: 5 PUs, moves 2, 4 attack, 1 defense, 2 flank, raider
    • eotheod cavalry: 7 PUs, moves 4, 4 attack, 4 defense, 6 charge

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    Cave dweller was a bit underwhelming, as being a "creature" as opposed to heavy infantry gave you more bonus in a cave than being cave dweller, and caves are rather rare anyway. Now it gives +2 attack and defense instead of +1. Forest dweller has a similar problem, but there are more forest territories, so I'm still thinking about that.

    For mapmakers

    TagX has a new feature: it can do set operations. ˇ is "or", or join; ^ is "and", or intersection, ~ is "and not", or set difference / except.

    What this means is that now territory effects are done. Once and for all. No matter how many new units I add, I won't even have to touch territory effects, they will be implemented automagically. Heck, it can even handle fortification units with raider ability, lest I should decide to go full retard.

    This is just to demonstrate the full power of the dark side TagX.

    <attachment name="territoryEffectAttachment" attachTo="settlement" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attachments.TerritoryEffectAttachment" type="territoryEffect">
    		<option name="combatOffenseEffect" value="@((infantry^melee)~(armor1ˇarmor2ˇarmor3))~raider@" count="0"/>
    		<option name="combatDefenseEffect" value="@((infantry^melee)~(armor1ˇarmor2ˇarmor3))~garrison@" count="1"/>
    		<option name="combatOffenseEffect" value="@(infantry^melee)^(armor1ˇarmor2ˇarmor3)~raider@" count="1"/>
    		<option name="combatDefenseEffect" value="@(infantry^melee)^(armor1ˇarmor2ˇarmor3)~garrison@" count="2"/>
    		<option name="combatOffenseEffect" value="@(ranged^infantry)~raider@" count="0"/>
    		<option name="combatDefenseEffect" value="@(ranged^infantry)~garrison@" count="3"/>
    		<option name="combatOffenseEffect" value="@cavalry~raider@" count="-2"/>
    		<option name="combatDefenseEffect" value="@cavalry~garrison@" count="-1"/>
    		<option name="combatOffenseEffect" value="@creature~raider@" count="-1"/>
    		<option name="combatDefenseEffect" value="@creature~garrison@" count="-1"/>
    		<option name="combatOffenseEffect" value="@flying~raider@" count="-1"/>
    		<option name="combatDefenseEffect" value="@flying~garrison@" count="-1"/>
    		<option name="combatOffenseEffect" value="@fortification~raider@" count="0"/>
    		<option name="combatDefenseEffect" value="@fortification~garrison@" count="1"/>
    		<option name="combatOffenseEffect" value="@noneˇraider^((infantry^melee)~(armor1ˇarmor2ˇarmor3))@" count="2"/>
    		<option name="combatDefenseEffect" value="@noneˇgarrison^((infantry^melee)~(armor1ˇarmor2ˇarmor3))@" count="3"/>
    		<option name="combatOffenseEffect" value="@noneˇraider^(infantry^melee)^(armor1ˇarmor2ˇarmor3)@" count="3"/>
    		<option name="combatDefenseEffect" value="@noneˇgarrison^(infantry^melee)^(armor1ˇarmor2ˇarmor3)@" count="4"/>
    		<option name="combatOffenseEffect" value="@noneˇraider^(ranged^infantry)@" count="2"/>
    		<option name="combatDefenseEffect" value="@noneˇgarrison^(ranged^infantry)@" count="5"/>
    		<option name="combatOffenseEffect" value="@noneˇraider^cavalry@" count="0"/>
    		<option name="combatDefenseEffect" value="@noneˇgarrison^cavalry@" count="1"/>
    		<option name="combatOffenseEffect" value="@noneˇraider^creature@" count="1"/>
    		<option name="combatDefenseEffect" value="@noneˇgarrison^creature@" count="1"/>
    		<option name="combatOffenseEffect" value="@noneˇraider^flying@" count="1"/>
    		<option name="combatDefenseEffect" value="@noneˇgarrison^flying@" count="1"/>
    		<option name="combatOffenseEffect" value="@noneˇraider^fortification@" count="2"/>
    		<option name="combatDefenseEffect" value="@noneˇgarrison^fortification@" count="3"/>

    (Note: "none" is just a tag, and only one unit, named "none", has it. This is necessary to avoid empty lists.)

  • Unit changes for Saruman:

    • dunlending wildman: 4 PUs, 2 move, 2/2 mountainwalk raider
    • halforc: 5 PUs, 2 move, 2/5, 3 formation
    • warg rider: 6? PUs, 4 move, 5/2, 4 charge
    • uruk warrior: 8 PUs, 3 move, 4/3, 2 armor, 1 shield, raider
    • uruk pikeman: PUs, 3 move, 4/6, 1 armor, 6 formation
    • crebain: some weak 1 hit air unit
    • wizard: idk really strong
    • fire of orthanc: 2 move, 0/0, suicide, a shitload of siege


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    The reliefs are all done. Here is a look at the Shires...

    0_1529846188519_Shires Example.png

    The colours are just cut and pasted from the original version with the map deatails on. So if you use the original Hex numbers in the Map Properties file everyting is more brilliant.

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    Same thing with names and the PU & UP (reduced size)

    0_1529850225153_Shires Example with names.png

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    @hepps Wow, looks awesome. Just need to redo those units now 🙂

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    @hepps Yeah, now you are putting the units image to shame.😶

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    @redrum Let's just settle down for now. 😃 Perhaps once all the tweeking has been done to the map and a good balance has been achieved... we can examine the possibility of further enhancements.

    Bear in mind that once I have gotten the thumbs up on the PU, UP and Names... I still have to design them all.

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    @hepps But you live for this! It is your purpose in life! 🙂

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    @hepps Fair enough. My thoughts:

    • PUs and UPs look great
    • I like the name font though is it possible to give them a bit more outline? Feel like they fade into some of the backgrounds a bit (ex. Tuckborough). Just an idea.

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    @redrum Yup. Same thoughts here. I am working on a variation with it slightly bolder right now.

  • @hepps The territory names and PUs are nice. The orange UP numbers are a bit hard to tell apart at a glance.

    If you start doing PUs and unit production, keep in mind that I will change them for quite a few territories as soon as the new units are done and balancing starts, and they will be subject to modification throughout the beta period, especially PUs.

    As for territory names, I will change some of them too. I'm going to send you a list of territory names that are new, changed or have unusual spelling.

  • @redrum said in Large Middle Earth - official thread:

    I like the name font though is it possible to give them a bit more outline? Feel like they fade into some of the backgrounds a bit (ex. Tuckborough).

    They are fine on the full-sized image, I think.

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    Here is my revision...

    0_1529854294995_Shires Example with names V2.png

  • @hepps I like that red line. Can we have more of that?

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