Roger's Scenario Thread

Cernel

@rogercooper said in Roger's Scenario Thread:

Name Cold War
World War 3 in Europe on the New World Order map
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That is not the New World Order map: it looks to me a cropped and modified Domination map.

RogerCooper

@cernel said in Roger's Scenario Thread:

That is not the New World Order map: it looks to me a cropped and modified Domination map.

You are right, on my wiki I actually name the map "Cold War Europe Map"

RogerCooper

Name World at War
Description World War 2 on a detailed world map
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Good Points

Lots of things going in lots of places
Can be run with Fast AI
Reasonably balanced
Income spread out in many areas

Bad Points

No victory conditions
Many geographical oddities
Unrealistic income values

RogerCooper

Global War V3 Rules
World War 2 in a Large Map
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Good Points

Nice-looking detail map
Playable with Fast AI

Bad Points

Russia is too weak, and has little room to trade space for time
No victory conditions

RogerCooper

Name Battleship Row
Description Classic game with reduced movement allowances and altered costs
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Good Points

Low movement allowances force you to plan in advance
AI plays well

Bad Points

A slow game with limited options

RogerCooper

Name Big World : NekahNet's 1939
Descriptiion 1939 on the Big World map with extra income in some areas
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Good Points

Straightforward ruleset playable by the Fast AI
Balanced

Bad Points

None

SilverBullet

@rogercooper a rare map with no bad points!

RogerCooper

Name NWO Canada 1939
Description New World Order Variant with Canada as a separate nation
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Good Points

Playable with Fast AI

Bad Points

Can be a bit hard for Germany to get momentum

RogerCooper

Name Lord of the Rings: Middle Earth
Description The War of the Ring
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Good Points

Map evokes the illustrations from the books
Many interesting unit types

Bad Points

Mass production of unique types
No feel of pre-industrial warfare
No sense of Mordor having a superior numbers in a race against time

RogerCooper

Name World War 1 End of Empires
Description World War 1 (starting 1915) with Upkeep costs
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Good Points

Upkeep costs are a fixed percent of purchase cost

Bad Points

AI has trouble playing the Americans
Russian revolution rules are undocumented
No feel of trench warfare
Predestined Russian collapse leaves the Entente at a disadvantage.

Schulz

Imho the main issue in most of WW1/WW2 scenarios is rushing Russia is just too much lucrative which eliminates other Axis/CP options.

That's why some maps implement special rules to offset it. Domination 1914 NML is the most successfull one to cancel the obvious lucrativeness of rushing Russia to expand other options thanks to conscripts.

Other option could be decreasing Axis/CP income and randomly spamming a few German subs in the Atlantic each round.

RogerCooper

@schulz Part of the issue is real world one, the Germans should have focused on the East and stood on the defense in the West. Every WW1 game shows this.

This game shows somewhat better the Entente economic advantage. See The Economics of World War 1 for interesting discussion.

RogerCooper

Name 270 BC
Description The Roman conquest of the Mediterranean
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Good Points

Beautiful unit art
Interesting situation with many points of conflict

Bad Points

No effort made to reflect the historical realities of ancient warfare. Tactically this is reskinned WW2 without aircraft
No victory conditions

Schulz

@rogercooper

I think Germany would be in a worse shape if focused on the East and stay on defensive in the West in 1914.

Although The Schlieffen-Moltke plan failed, Germany has captured Belgium and Northeastern France which was the source of %35-%40 steel and coal production of France. Germany couldn't cripple Russia within a few months like they did to France.

Cernel

@rogercooper said in Roger's Scenario Thread:

Bad Points

No effort made to reflect the historical realities of ancient warfare. Tactically this is reskinned WW2 without aircraft

What would these effort be? Just curious. Also, I don't agree that the basic rules-sets are representing WW2 better than other time periods, especially since there are no rail-ways.

RogerCooper

@cernel Giving more of ancient feel could involve

Upkeep costs to prevent ever-expanding armies
Advantages for combined-arms forces
Some consideration of sieges, like cavalry being unable to attack city walls
Move 0 local forces

RogerCooper

@schulz said in Roger's Scenario Thread:

Although The Schlieffen-Moltke plan failed, Germany has captured Belgium and Northeastern France which was the source of %35-%40 steel and coal production of France. Germany couldn't cripple Russia within a few months like they did to France.

Germany didn't cripple France in 1914 by taking Belgium & Picardy. With Britain as an ally, France had access to the steel resources of the US.

With Russia, the key Germany objectives should have been Riga, Minsk & Kiev. That would secure vast tracts of fertile farmland and probably force Russia to sue for peace in 1915, rather than 1917. And how long would British & French being willing to lose lives attacking the entrenched Germans, if the Germans had not occupied Belgium.

Schulz

@rogercooper said in Roger's Scenario Thread:

@schulz said in Roger's Scenario Thread:

Although The Schlieffen-Moltke plan failed, Germany has captured Belgium and Northeastern France which was the source of %35-%40 steel and coal production of France. Germany couldn't cripple Russia within a few months like they did to France.

Germany didn't cripple France in 1914 by taking Belgium & Picardy. With Britain as an ally, France had access to the steel resources of the US.

With Russia, the key Germany objectives should have been Riga, Minsk & Kiev. That would secure vast tracts of fertile farmland and probably force Russia to sue for peace in 1915, rather than 1917. And how long would British & French being willing to lose lives attacking the entrenched Germans, if the Germans had not occupied Belgium.

From The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers.

"The territory occupied by Germany held 64 percent of French pig-iron production, 24 percent of its steel manufacturing, and 40 percent of the coal industry, dealing a serious blow to French industry."

RogerCooper

From The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers.

"The territory occupied by Germany held 64 percent of French pig-iron production, 24 percent of its steel manufacturing, and 40 percent of the coal industry, dealing a serious blow to French industry."

A serious blow to French industry, but not to the French army. Was there a campaign where the French faltered for the lack of equipment?

Schulz

@rogercooper said in Roger's Scenario Thread:

From The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers.

"The territory occupied by Germany held 64 percent of French pig-iron production, 24 percent of its steel manufacturing, and 40 percent of the coal industry, dealing a serious blow to French industry."

A serious blow to French industry, but not to the French army. Was there a campaign where the French faltered for the lack of equipment?

From encyclopedia.1914-1918

"A Shortage of Raw Materials

The outbreak of the war shrank the industrial capacity and led to massive devastation and destruction. As early as August 1914, France was one of the most devastated countries. Following the invasion and occupation of northern and eastern France by German forces, France lost 14 percent of its industrial output. Before the war, this area produced 75 percent of the French coal production, 81 percent of the iron, 63 percent of the steel, 85 percent of the linen, 94 percent of the wool, and 75 percent of the sugar.

The frontline crossed the coal basin in northern France so that the colliers of Bethune had to work several days and nights under enemy shelling."

For example Britain had a shell crisis in 1915 despite being 3.rd leading steel producer in the world. I don't think France was unaffected of this lost. Though it would be good to find a reliable source about its effect to the French industry and how beneficial was to occupy Burgundy and Belgium for Germany.