Total World War: December 1941 3.0.0.6

[ubernaut]

@redrum @Hepps here's a save file in case it helps

autosaveAfterTurkeyCombatMove.tsvg

[-xAAAx-]

@Hepps said in Total World War: December 1941 3.0.0.3:

Update Sub unit attack from 4 to 3 (3/1/2)

I'm thinking that subs should start off as 3/2/2 instead of 3/1/2. This way improved subs (+1 attack/defense) could then provide a modest defense in mixed fleets.

This would make improved subs (4/3/2) provide 1 defense (4/1/2) in mixed fleets while advanced subs (6/4/2) provide 2 defense (6/2/2) in mixed fleets.

This also keeps the tradition of incremental increases in power as units are upgraded with the related technologies. Here, that tradition would be extended to the defensive capabilities of subs with 0 defense in mixed fleets < improved subs with 1 defense in mixed fleets < advanced subs with 2 defense in mixed fleets.

Like discussed, advanced subs would be very attractive with +2 attack and +1 defense over improved subs for +2 PU, which would largely relegate improved subs to early losses on attack and sub fodder on defense.

[Hepps]

@xAAAx The reason I don't want Subs to gain a defense is that with their cost they would be viable as defensive fodder. (As we have seen in previous versions of TWW) So then you could stack Subs and use them like transports (except that they inflict first strikes on defense)... except that they would also have the ability to be highly effective at smashing the enemy on offense.

The entire design is meant to make Subs a useful offensive weapon while making them (comparatively) unattractive as cover for a fleet defensively. This is intended to make Sub spamming less attractive. Like stacking 25 Subs off the coast of Germany to defend an otherwise meager fleet.

[Aidan]

@ubernaut

Thanks for the advice.

My friends and I are already in the habit of calculating averages and carefully considering the math when we've played A&A Global 40, but the dice often are such that we have to re-evaluate the situation.

For instance, last game I played as Germany and Italy and my ally Japan got into a defensive fight with the US fleet at Japan (SZ 6). The battle calculator gave Japan a 5% chance of winning but he won anyway, with two damaged BBs to spare. His three defending subs also all rolled ones. I just about fell out of my chair at the luck...

I'm honestly not sure I like the idea of low luck only because it seems to turn the game into a number crunching simulator. I'd appreciate some more food for thought on the topic though, since maybe I'm missing the point of it.

[LovePlayingAAA]

Hi, is the Russian-Japanese Nonaggression Treaty now included in the actual version (its 3.0.0.3 right?). If not: is it possible to download a version with Russian-Japanese Nonaggression Treaty manually? I really would love to play this version.

Best
LovePlayingAAA

[Hepps]

@LovePlayingAAA No sorry. Thus far it is only a conceptual idea.

[ubernaut]

@Aidan low luck should actually be maybe called almost no luck the only part that is random is the remainder so for instance, 3 infantry will always score exactly 1 hit on attack unmodified. 4 would be 1 hit plus one normal 2 out of 6 roll. it is definitely a different game and it teaches you to think in terms of those odds without as much need for a battle calculator, at least when it comes to small battles.

[redrum]

There is a bug in v3.0.0.3 where the Exiled Allies Toulon Fleet event is firing even though Vichy hasn't lost their capital. You can just not roll for saving any of the fleet and edit it back in.

[redrum]

The bug has been fixed and v3004 is released now: https://github.com/triplea-maps/total_world_war/pull/17

[LovePlayingAAA]

I made now my custom version, which includes the Russian-Japanese Nonaggression Treaty, it looks like this:

[Hepps]

@LovePlayingAAA So they are just bunker'd down.

[ubernaut]

@redrum @Hepps so this is strange it seems the units are granted but there is some kind of delay seems like they show up after the next German turn.

[ubernaut]

what is this thing?

[LovePlayingAAA]

This is the german "Reichsflugscheibe", I never got this weapon in my played games. How did you do this?
If correctly designed, it shoud have values 12/12/8 (aircraft).

[redrum]

@ubernaut The reason is the triggers grant the free units after major player turns not neutrals.

[ubernaut]

@redrum gotcha thanks!

[ubernaut]

@LovePlayingAAA idk it appeared during one of my turns but then disappeared before the turn ended.

[wirkey]

@ubernaut it's just a little gimmick. Watch out for the land battleship!

[ubernaut]

@wirkey ill keep my eyes out for it still don't know what i did to make that thing appear/disappear.

[wirkey]

@ubernaut nothing you can or can't do about, i just appears in a certain round.