270BC Wars - Official Thread

LaFayette

@cernel It used to work that way where only the contents of map folder would be distributed, to simplify it's the whole repo. To keep perspective, the preview image download is not very significant to downloading the entirety of the '+' folder. Recommend to keep a personal repository for that content and link to it in a README.md file.

Cernel

@lafayette It is just not practical, and at risk of being forgotten overtime, splitting things between repositories. As in the example I've made, I tell you that many map-makers are keeping useless items in the map repositories. You are just seeing them clearly in this case since I took care to group them within a + folder instead of leaving them within the map folder.

The most widespread example may be leaving the (useless) base image of the map in the map folder. Example:
https://github.com/triplea-maps/world_war_ii_global/blob/master/map/baseTiles.png
(That is particularly useful to have if you want to make some tweaks to the placements and other things.).

In my case, something like that is in
https://github.com/triplea-maps/270bc_wars/blob/master/%2B/polygonsMap.png

LaFayette

@cernel Git remembers all files that were ever added, you can delete them and retrieve them easily. If the files are not used, what value do they have? There is a saying in programming YAGNI - you aren't going to need it. There is also the 'sunk cost fallacy' that says it's hard to give up on something after an initial investment has been made. I think you probably can safely remove the unused stuff. It could be done automatically one day via a script to clean up map repositories. To another extent, a published map is not a place to maintain a scratch-pad of useless items. We have a whole repository available for anyone to upload useful but not used map assets, perhaps those items would do well uploaded there. In the meantime, any useless items is adding to disk space requirements, slowing down how fast the map runs, slows down the download, and slows down a number of operations performed during map maintenance. So it's a bad idea to put unnecessary artifacts in a map repository.

TheDog

@Cernel
Your transports can unload to friendly territories in the Combat Move, how do you do that?

In 1941 GCD I get

Cernel

@thedog said in 270BC Wars - Official Thread:

@Cernel
Your transports can unload to friendly territories in the Combat Move, how do you do that?

In 1941 GCD I get

They are not supposed to be able to (ever).

As far as TripleA goes, I believe that the word "combat" in that warning actually means "a battle in this zone", and TripleA makes you unable to offload into friendly territories during Combat Move only if the ship is going to take part in a sea battle on the same turn (but I'm not sure if there are exceptions to this behaviour).

If this is not what you believe that you are experiencing, please provide reproduction steps or a game-save.

TheDog

@cernel
In your game/map 270 Wars, playing Carthage, move a unit from Carthago via SZ 36 to Lilybaeum as below.

TripleA allows it.

Cernel

@thedog said in 270BC Wars - Official Thread:

@cernel
In your game/map 270 Wars, playing Carthage, move a unit from Carthago via SZ 36 to Lilybaeum as below.

TripleA allows it.

As I said, this is an illegal movement which TripleA allows in this game like in every other game as far as I know.

Off topic, you can open "World War II Classic" and, during Russians Combat Move, load one unit onto the Russian transport and offload the unit into the United Kingdom. This is also an illegal movement which TripleA allows.

Cernel

@thedog said in 270BC Wars - Official Thread:

@cernel
In your game/map 270 Wars, playing Carthage, move a unit from Carthago via SZ 36 to Lilybaeum as below.

TripleA allows it.

To be clear, this is a sequence of movements which is illegal (during the Commit Units phase): you can only do it during the Reposition Units phase.

This is a case in which TripleA allows you to make a sequence of actions which is illegal, so you have to know the rules of the game and not to make this sequence of actions during this phase. Specifically, you have to wait until the Reposition Units phase to make this sequence of actions during this turn.

TripleA has also the issue of imperfect customization of names, so I'm pointing out that "Commit Units" is also called "Combat Move" and "Reposition Units" is also called "Non Combat Move". Practically, "Commit Units" equals "Combat Move" and "Reposition Units" equals "Non Combat Move" in everything I said at this post.

TheDog

@cernel
Its your map that breaks the TripleA rules not mine, as far as I know its the only map that does. I am fully aware of the usual TripleA limitation regarding unloading of ship cargo in the Combat move phase to an owned territory.

If I try and do the same thing in 1941 GCD as you know I cant.

So my question still stands, how/why does your map break the TripleA rules, because I would like to do the same for my map?

Cernel

@thedog said in 270BC Wars - Official Thread:

@cernel
Its your map that breaks the TripleA rules not mine, as far as I know its the only map that does.

I made you the example of "World War II Classic" (which substantially has the same inconsistency between rules and behaviour as "270BC Wars" on this matter) even though it is off topic.

Let me also point out that I don't think that it really makes sense to say that my game breaks "the TripleA rules". My game has some rules which are not supported by the TripleA program (so the player has to take care to know the rules and follow them himself/herself), the example which you provided being one of them (and being a very common case as far as I know).

Let's move this matter to your map's thread and give me a detailed single-case description of what happens in your map and what you would like that it happens in it instead.

TheDog

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