Global 40 Expansion UHD Boxes

[malmessi]

hi!
found this thread and...
I played Global1940 many times, can someone please tell me the main differences of this UHD boxes version ?
A dedicated manual would be awesomne but even a post listing all the differences would be great

Thanks

[beelee]

@malmessi

Hi malmessi

Here is a link to the rulebook https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jI_1JdIC-1KiTihBICJAbtX3GpVYnNgf/view

and this is The Captain's thread at the other site https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/37535/the-captain-s-global-1940-house-rules-collection

You want the first link there. Some of the other ones are helpful too. If using triplea it requires a lot of edit, I'd say triplea still does 80-90% of it though.

We've found after 2-3 games it becomes second nature. It' quite a bit more complex but most who have played enjoy it and don't even really play OOB anymore

If you like G40 I think you will love this

[malmessi]

@beelee
Wow, impressive manual but so hard...
I do not even understood how to use StrRailMov...
In TotalWorldWar it requires rail and trains, here....

[beelee]

@malmessi

yea there's a lot going on I will post a example of Rail.

[malmessi]

@beelee
Thx

[beelee]

@malmessi

So we'll use SSR here. In NCM you click on one of the Rail Units and move it to where you wanna go. In this case we'll go to Sakha

We're gonna move a AA Gun. We click on Rail again and the AA Gun and move it to where we want. Caucasus in this example

SSR Rail can go to any original Soviet TTy and the E one ( Europe ) in Europe as well as long as you have an unbroken line of communication between the two spots.

Triplea enforces this correctly. What it doesn't do is prevent using the Rail to move into newly conquered TTys or if those TTys would open up a uninterrupted route.

It also allows you to use them more than once. So that part is Player Enforced. Triplea usually places them in the Capital but UK is in S Africa and JPN is in China.

If you have a legal move but triplea is blocking it e.g. you wanna rail some dudes in India but Jordan is Under Axis control, then you have to use edit "Perform Move or Other Action" and it will bypass the block.

[malmessi]

@beelee
ah ok, rail icon is required ! I was missing, in TWW rail allows train movement so you need a train too.
In my new game there were no rail icons so I was not able

yes I tried using the rail and TripleA allows me to use it 3 o 4 times, PlEnfRule ok
thx

[beelee]

@malmessi

yea I thought about using Hepps train for the image but went with the roundel instead. I think he made those too. I can't remember. I just added the E for the Europe ones.

Edit
It also allows you to move more than 1 Unit with 1 Rail. Should be able to fix that but have had limited success so far, so that is PE as well.

[beelee]

Games played have been recorded here

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10CH9_Orbe6NPBLDM2fU3HLVEM-lHdfJOXfRLAuREBhs/edit?pli=1&gid=0#gid=0

Uses @VictoryFirst s spreadsheet. It's still a wip and actually always will be but more so for me getting up to speed with it.

Above link should take you to latest but not 100% sure on that. Should be at Game 30. Here's a partial screenshot

Fwiw Axis have won 16 and Allies 14

Edit
@Alexander has joined the fray

Edit 2
Looks as if counts the ongoing games as already played. Probably not a biggie. Hopefully Victory clue me in if I'm doing it wrong.

Idk that points and Total Points are gonna be necessary. Pretty easy just to see who has the most wins and I don't see any draws happening in triplea with time and space not a issue.

[beelee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm-0

an inactive American Naval Commander lol

I will add some faces too for the alternate file. Pretty sure i have them just gotta find them

[beelee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm-0 @JohnnyCat @Trout @Alexander

So while adding the Naval Commanders https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/assets/uploads/files/1770916645890-38.g40-naval-commander.pdf

I think I found a Major error in how I was writing the xml. I almost picked up on it when doing Air Commanders https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/assets/uploads/files/1765436744444-16.g40-air-fleet-commander-rules.pdf

but it didn't sink in until this current update. Long story short, this is gonna be a Huge update and take at least a month probably.

What I am gonna do in the mean time, is add the Naval Commanders to the existing 2.54 which will become 2.55. That way you guys can keep playing with the latest while I fix this other stuff.

I'm still not certain it will 100% work but pretty sure it will. Too bad @wc_sumpton isn't around anymore to run it by him but w/e

Anyway what it does is only require one "Active" Commander instead of Oberst 2,3,4,5 you only need one for all. Should work for the Commiesars too but as I mentioned earlier, still not 100% certain.

For those who are interested, originally/currently had the Oberst/Commisar be supported by the individual Units that they support in order for them to get their extra die roll. This caused problems with the Oberst then supporting a Inf over a Tank when you'd want the Tank and similar stuff.

It still might do it some with the Elites but they basically cancel each other out as is explained in current Game Notes.

Starting with "Air Commander" I gave the "Active" AC 2 rolls by default. So the other units don't need to support it for a bonus roll. It just supports one unit with a bonus roll and triplea basically picks the most powerful on Attack and Defense.

At least it seems too. I could be wrong with all of the above but

TLDR
I'll add Naval Commanders for 2.55 Be a few days

[wc_sumpton]

@beelee

I still check these forms.

Cheers...

[beelee]

Updated to 2.55

[beelee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm-0

I dug up some of Elk's faces. Should be able to dig a few out for Air and Naval Commander. I'm not sure who they all are. We discussed here a little bit https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/40741/names-to-faces

Commander Faces .zip

I can't remember if zips work here or not. Guess we'll find out

There's also another thread somewhere saying how he did it. I think just search faces and see what comes up

Edit
Maybe give em a bloody nose or a black eye for damaged lol

[beelee]

OK the rewrite is going pretty good. Surprisingly to me. so shouldn't take as long as I thought. I'm testing as I go but not super extensively.

So gameplay will be the true test. Anyway, it should be sooner than later.

[beelee]

@beelee said in Global 40 Expansion UHD Boxes:

OK the rewrite is going pretty good. Surprisingly to me. so shouldn't take as long as I thought. I'm testing as I go but not super extensively.

So gameplay will be the true test. Anyway, it should be sooner than later.

So sadly my excitement was mispalced. The new "Naval Commanders" work fine but that is because none of the Units inside the Task Force are supported.

When you have a unit that supports another one and itself is supported by the "Commander", triplea will default to the most potent Attack or defense factor of the unit without considering the support boost.

Not 100% sure on this but that's what testing seems to show. This is what I also first encountered when originally doing the xml. That's why we have separate Obersts and Commisars and now Air Commanders.

So e.g. Air Commander and 2 Ftrs and a Tac attack together. The AC gets 2 rolls, that is now hardwired in unitAttachment, and one of the Ftrs or Tac gets a boost.

What happens is, one of the Ftrs or Tac gets an additional die roll at it's Attack value of 3. What should happen is the Tac gets boosted by the Tac to Attack 4, which is correct, but the additional die roll goes to a Ftr or possibly the Tac, instead of giving the boosted Tac to Attack 4 at 2 rolls.

So that's a triplea engine limitation and unless the code is rewritten to allow for that, triplea can't do it.

Maybe wc want's to go big and fork it from triplea adding that capabillity Idk but if he did, we could all just use that version

[wc_sumpton]

@beelee said in Global 40 Expansion UHD Boxes:

What happens is, one of the Ftrs or Tac gets an additional die roll at it's Attack value of 3. What should happen is the Tac gets boosted by the Tac to Attack 4, which is correct, but the additional die roll goes to a Ftr or possibly the Tac, instead of giving the boosted Tac to Attack 4 at 2 rolls.

So close yet so far.

When selecting units for support first is power, attack or defense, depending, next is alphabetical. I.e. Firs before Tacs. To test this change the Ftr to Tac support to a Tac to Ftr. Now try the Cmd with 2 Ftrs and 1 Tac.

Waiting to hear from you.

Cheers...

[beelee]

@wc_sumpton

hmm ...

thanks for the reply

Yea I'll take a look but that hmm ... so as in alphabetical in the support attachement ? Unit attachment ?

OK rereading this. Late in the day so I will retry.

Question

Can one unit support another with the supported unit being ...well actually the alphabetical thing, as when they support or are supported by the supporting unit.

I want one active unit that gives bounus rolls/attack and defense bonus increase, to the most powerful unit it can for the 2 roll bonus.

Doesn't do it right now.

I will try some more with your latest info. The alphabetical has me uncertain though. In the support attachment or unit list ? Unit attachment ?

Edit
OK it's starting to sink in I think. It's how I have them listed in the supportAttachment. Actually that's not alphabetical though.

Well yea ... I'll post what I have. Idusted it but it's still in the save folder

Thanks for the help wc. I'll give more info tomorrow

[beelee]

@wc_sumpton said in Global 40 Expansion UHD Boxes:

hange the Ftr to Tac support to a Tac to Ftr.

OK this seems what I need to try. Will that mess up anything else though ? Or was the original G 40 just written that way ?

Well I will try it

[wc_sumpton]

@beelee said in Global 40 Expansion UHD Boxes:

Or was the original G 40 just written that way ?

To the best of my knowledge, G40 does have Ftrs supporting Tacs, but does not have that extra Cmd layer.

@beelee said in Global 40 Expansion UHD Boxes:

OK this seems what I need to try. Will that mess up anything else though ?

I was only suggesting this as a test, to show that support is ordered alphabetically, not to use in your map.

Hopefully understanding how support is done might help in designing them.

Cheers...