Warcraft: War Heroes - Official Thread

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    @Frostion said in Warcraft: War Heroes - Official Thread:

    This problem can be bypassed by having every player nation have every single enemy unit image in its units own un it directory, even though they may never build those enemy type units.

    Or by having a single instance of those pictures in the units main folder, that will be used by any players lacking the same.

    But I agree that it would be preferable, and make more sense, not to display an image a player can never have (as it gets turned into something else immediately as conquered). I guess you'll make a ticket about this in GitHub. While waiting for this fix, you can also use the hack of having fully transparent images.

  • @Frostion Wow, your map is really looking good. I was wondering when all eight factions will be finished?

    I would also like to know when the map will be released for beta testing? I don't mind the AI not working as I wasn't planning on using it, and instead just control all units at first.

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    @Frostion I took a quick look at issue #1. The issue is all the air only canals which aren't being properly handled by the AI's territory value calculations when determining where to non-combat move. For example, it thinks the Orc land units can potentially move across the 2 air only connections the next turn (not checking those canals) so values staying in the Orc capital more than moving to the adjacent territories north/south. This just keeps happening turn after turn causing all the Orc units built there to not move. I'll try to take a look at adding some basic logic in to check these canals.

    This could be potentially impacting building factories as well since its overvaluing placing units in the Orc capital for example since it thinks there are 2 good adjacent territories to attack from there.

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    @Greg-Anderson ... As soon as possible โ˜บ I will keep you updated here on the progress. When the factions are done, I see no reason to hold it back. The map may be a bit rough around the edges, but hopefully beta testing and feedback can help smooth the map.

    @redrum This is great news. I hope it is not a too complicated thing to adjust the AI to comprehend. But I guess that in theory, other maps might also use a land canal or two. Maybe @Cernel already has it implemented in his own project? ๐Ÿ˜‰

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    So the 6th of the 8 races are done โ€ฆ

    Here is the Night Elves and their heroine Ayanna ๐Ÿ™‚



    Note: The Ceremonial-Fire is a unit that after placed (at the end of the player round) generates 3 Wisp units, and the fire gives support to elven units for an entire round, until the night elves next turn, when the fire is removed from map. But the 3 Wisps remain.
    The Ceremonial-Fire is the only unit of Elves that costs oil.

    It took me some time to figure out what elves could possibly use collected oil for. They donโ€™t strike me as the types who would burn black smoking sticky polluting oil for anything. They strike me more as tree hugging vegetarians ๐Ÿ˜›

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    @Frostion Is the fort an upgrade of guard-tower? If so, it would feel strange to go from stone to wood. Also it looks strange that the garrison is a wooden construct recoulized stone-like. How about omitting the garrison and reclassifying the remaing three as Fort->Tower->Castle (the Tower would be the current Guard-Tower).

    I suppose having 5 (!) different siege engines may make for an interest sieging system.

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    PS: I forgot to mention that Ayanna the Hunter of course has a pet hunting dog ๐Ÿ˜›

    @Cernel Yes there is a starting factory, the Guard Tower, and then the other buildings are upgrades. And yes it is a bit strange to have a stone construction be upgraded to a wooden construction. When I started making the unit graphics, it was the intention that the Guard Tower was to be an un-upgradable supporting building, separate from a three-step factory concept (Fort -> Garrison -> Castle).

    But as development of the map progressed, I moved away from the two-types of building approach. Now it is a much simpler four-step factory concept, with the four factories having Wall Archers (AA fire) comparable to their size.

    The Wall Archers (AA fire) are so effective/unit killing that they are the reason for players to either bring along siege weapons to suppress the Wall Archers, or alternatively bombard and destroy (some buildings only disable) the Wall Archers โ€ฆ so that the territory can be seized without many casualties.

    Maybe the concept will change if we find a better and more fitting concept in regards to siege warefare.



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    Yet another race is done. The horrific Undead, also known as the Forsaken:



    Sevis the Warlock of course has the pleasure of commanding his very own summoned Imps:


    And when Sevis has reached a certain level, he may also command a powerful Doomguard! :


    (These summoned units cannot, like the pet Battle Chicken and the pet Mastiff, venture off on their own. They are bound to follow their master. Though they can attack neighboring territories without their master's participation.)

  • @Frostion Good job! I've never been so eager to play a tripleA map as I am with this one.

  • @Frostion Just read through this whole thread and holy crap this is a magnum opus! ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘
    I really like the whole backpack/inventory idea and would love a little insider scoop on how you are pulling that off ๐Ÿ˜ฒ

    Just wanted to point out on the Arthur page shouldn't the skill be spelled "Noble" instead of "Nobel"? (unless I am misunderstanding the skill...)

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    @Michael-Hoover Yes, it should be "Noble" instead of "Nobel". I will fix this ASAP.

    I just need to finish the last race, the trolls, then I will upload it for testing in the "experimental" category. It is quite playable now, but has a few issues (both AI and engine) that I hope will be clear for players and developers to see, so that we may work them out.

    There are errors poping up now and then, but they mostly do not crash the game.

    The item system is quite complex, but all comes down to conditions and triggers. 1: a player captures and therefore own a special item on the map. 2: Trigger removes this item from the map and places the item (another unit type, but still the item) in the backpack, mostly for visual sake + activates the items property, if needed.

    The most simple items just generates resources. Some items unlocks unit support. Some items modify the Hero unit attributes by adding/modify stuff, like isMarine if the "Leatherneck" is picked up. Some items are very complex, and I think the most complex is the "Fishing Pole".

    So stay tuned and keep am eye out for misspellings ๐Ÿ˜„

  • @Frostion A complex fishing pole? ๐Ÿ˜†

    I'm eager to see what the units of the last race will look like. I've seen many troll units before so I am eager to see what you will create.

    I'll let you know if I spot any errors once you release the map. ๐Ÿ‘

  • @Frostion I was just wondering, is there a reason why some units have a plural name even though they are a single unit? For example, shouldn't the Footmen unit be spelled Footman?

    It doesn't change much, but I just wanted to point out a potential typo. โ˜บ

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    @Greg-Anderson It is a common typo in TripleA that is not really a "Typo." A unit is meant to represent a squadron or division generally thus comprising a few unite not a single unit.

  • @prastle Ah okay, very logical. It wouldn't make much sense to have a unit represent just one unit.

  • @Frostion How's work on your map going? Have you experienced more bugs?

    Anyway, good job on this map! I don't think I would have been able to continue making a map for over a year.

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    Trolls are done! Map will be downloadable soon ๐Ÿ™‚ I will alert whendownload seems to work.

    But mind you that there are still bugs! I have not been past round 7 without it crashing ๐Ÿ˜•

    โ€ฆ and yes, some unit pictures are meant to represent a group of individuals, like the Footmen, while others are meant to be special individual characters, like heroes, pets, special supporting characters, and like the Witch-Doctor below. They then have a low transport cost of 1, just like the Hero. So a Hero might fly in a hot air balloon, on a beast or airship alone or with a couple of special single individuals, but not with an army of Footmen or Calvary ๐Ÿ˜›



  • @Frostion Great work!

    Yeah, it would be illogical for a hero to fly in a hot air balloon with an entire army. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

    When you mentioned that you couldn't get past round 7 without the map crashing, did you mean using the AI or without AI? As I don't plan on really using the AI, I don't mind if it is still buggy. Your maps are so cool that I love just controlling all the factions.

  • Also, quick question is it normal that the trolls have no flying unit and have a destroyer just like the night elves?

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    @Greg-Anderson Night-Elves and Trolls have destroyers, Gnomes and Orcs have subs. And yes, the trolls have no air units to build.

    The races have very different racial units, and as you can see they are very different and all cost PUs and other resources. Besides not having the same units, they also start out at very different locations and are bound by this. So the races at in no way equal. But I hope they still have a fighting chance against each other.

    I have not played the map without AI, so you might be right and be able to play without game crashing errors. Let's hope so ๐Ÿ˜Š

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