CrazyG's Big World War One
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@CrazyG Sounds cool. You might want to think of a better name for the map though
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@CrazyG @Schulz Well, of course, it is virtually impossible for wars to be well balanced, as that would be an exceptional coincidence. It is well known that WW1 was greatly unbalanced in favour of the Allies, and just the great effectiveness of defence kept it going for so long, after the first shot at rapidly taking Paris failed. The main rebalancing element would be the political/moral fragility of Russia, but I'm not even sure that can be decently represented under the current constraints of the TripleA engine (I would think like accounting Russian TUV losses, then an increasing chance of collapsing after they are above a level). Also the Germans could have had a much better shot at the west if they were not so greedy in wanting to have territorial gains in Russia, but would have accepted a separate peace or armistice at the current borders (or maybe only demanding the Kingdom of Poland).
The other element is that you can sum the rich Belgium to Germany. You cannot sensibly do the same with the Netherlands, because they have colonial territories about as much as valuable, so you would not take their homeland just to gift your opponent a same or bigger value of territories (if the territories outside the scenario are not represented in any ways (convoy zones?), the Netherlands can be impassable).
Maybe WW1 would have been fairly balanced if Italy would have fought on the side of the Alliance (it was actually part of).
Instead of representing the US Americans, you can have some Allies victory condition that would represent the joining, very late, of the US America, and simply tell the players that, at this point, the Alliance is doomed and the Entente wins the game (kinda like the multiple victory options of Civil War). I believe this would be totally fine, as when the US Americans joined Germany would have lost for sure, even if they hoped to still have any chance (at those times not everyone was well aware of the actual power of this ex colony, not even the taking of Paris could have offset).
In my opinion, the biggest inconsistency in WW1 maps is that they tend to make the Ottomans way too strong or, anyways, not weak enough, maybe also because of the Gallipoli debacle. Whatever the metre, the Ottomans in WW1 were less than 1/10 the power of Germany. On the other hand, Germany can be able to give PUs to the Ottomans, if they want.
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@Cernel If you really want a map that uses real world numbers, GDP, war expenses etc. then you should maybe start building a map from scratch, as I think this would be required to ever get a map like that to work. And if you ever get that map up and running, I am sure you will at some point have to compromise and balance according to game play needs. But a project like that would be really interesting
Maybe you should then factor in aspects (special resources?) Like public support, dedication, moral etc. as I can't see a war in real life being won with money or production alone.@CrazyG Post some previews!
I am happy that you finally got around to do the WW1 map. Will you use the old unit and flag artwork posted on the old forum website? I am sorry you do not have trains. I can't help you there as I have way to little time atm. Can't even find time to work on my Warcraft map atm. When folks get access to you map and get to see the units and their coloring, I am sure someone can fine tune some good looking trains for you to use. 
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Actually ww1 was more balanced than ww2 and it is possible to make relatively balanced and historical great war scenario. The Centrals would have won if Germany had taken Paris regarsless of date. Even If Germany had knocked France out of war in 1918, Allies would sue peace since Normandy style liberating France would be unimaginable. The Allies did even fail to knock out the Ottomans out of war by naval invasion.
Even Italian neutrality could bring Central victory. With Italy, Centrals would achieve definitely total victory.
Another problem is Italy and Romania could have joined the Centrals and hard to represent it in Triplea Engine. But USA would always join Entente regardless of the Zimmerman telegram or unrestricted submarine warfare.
I agree the Ottomans are represented way too strong. But the problem is if you make the Ottmans 1/10 Germany then Entente would take the Ottomans within a few rounds but in reality they would only do it after 4 years with Arab rebels. In this scenario you will have to give thr Ottomans so much defensive bonuses since Gallipoli isn't the only Ottoman victory. Ottomans did win more battles such as First battle of Gaza or battle of Kut etc.
Simply taking the Ottomans should not be too easy realistically.
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@Schulz said in CrazyG's Big World War One:
Actually ww1 was more balanced than ww2 and it is possible to make relatively balanced and historical great war scenario. The Centrals would have won if Germany had taken Paris regarsless of date. Even If Germany had knocked France out of war in 1918, Allies would sue peace since Normandy style liberating France would be unimaginable. The Allies did even fail to knock out the Ottomans out of war by naval invasion.
Even Italian neutrality could bring Central victory. With Italy, Centrals would achieve definitely total victory.
Another problem is Italy and Romania could have joined the Centrals and hard to represent it in Triplea Engine. But USA would always join Entente regardless of the Zimmerman telegram or unrestricted submarine warfare.
I agree the Ottomans are represented way too strong. But the problem is if you make the Ottmans 1/10 Germany then Entente would take the Ottomans within a few rounds but in reality they would only do it after 4 years with Arab rebels. In this scenario you will have to give thr Ottomans so much defensive bonuses since Gallipoli isn't the only Ottoman victory. Ottomans did win more battles such as First battle of Gaza or battle of Kut etc.
Simply taking the Ottomans should not be too easy realistically.
Slow clap for @CrazyG
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@Cernel @Schulz
I am aware of the GDP as an income discussion thread, let's take the conversation there.@All
I am open to a better name. I really think the best names for World War One would be Great War or No Man's Land, both already taken. I thought about something else, such as "Home by Christmas". I'm not married to including CrazyG in the title either. I though about calling it "bigass world war one". Is there a rule for cussing? -
Aggression 1914
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@CrazyG 1914: The Age of Insanity
(Trying to give a knod to the author's unstable nature.... as well as the era)
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@CrazyG Wait, Home by Christmas? That sounds like the name of a 1914 map. I recall you said the starting date was 1915?
Personally, I believe no maps should be allowed to have simple names like "Great War". That is an event, that several maps may be about; so why there must be a map that takes it for itself, like it is "the" map about it?
Instead, I would be in favour of a format like:
"Great War: Something", with multiple totally unrelated maps starting as "Great War", but noone having it only.
The problem, in this case, is that if you go that way people will kinda think this is a mod or a variants of the map called "Great War".
So, if the presence of a map called "Great War" rules out using it simply of with specifications, maybe, depending on seriousness level:
Joking:
"Second Greatest War"
"Crazy Great War"Serious:
"Great European War: Time of Greatness"
"World War: Time of Greatness"Simple:
"Alliance & Entente"
"Aggression 1915" (or whatever the year) -
@CrazyG Or rather... 1914; Edge of Insanity
(Afterall... the creator is crazy... no one said he was actually insane) -
The Ottoman empire was weak, but protected by mountains, deserts and the distance from the logistical centers of the Entente. The easiest way of handling this is with garrison units and limiting British builds in Egypt & India rather than giving the Ottomans an unrealistically high income.
Britain's colonies can be handled by National Objectives requiring the specific sea areas be clear of German units or Convoy boxes.
For that matter taking Constantinople should give a big income bonus to the Russians, which should tempt the British into trying to knockout the Ottomans.
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What do you mean by garrison unit? I was thinking +1 defense bonus to every Ottoman units for preventhing them early collapsing.
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I also have a few ideas for the map name. What about:
Frontline 1914
Warfront 1914
Downfall 1914
War and Glory 1914 (Abbreviation: WaG)
Age of Generals 1914 (Abbreviation: AoG)
Mind of War 1914 (Abbreviation: MoW)? Just so you know, I have not investigated if these names have already been used somewhere before
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@Frostion I like "Frontline", if simplicity is preferred.
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"Blood in the Mud"
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I added a teaser image to the first post.
I'm adding Cernel's trains (I need a yellow one too).
Trying to get a working download. -
If you have a focus on trenches, that might be a good name as well:
- War of the Trenches: 1914
- Trench War: 1914
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@CrazyG Actually, I'm missing a Japanese train and intended to try to make one; so I'll start searching for a suitable photo or something about that. I suggest the Russians to be yellow and the Austrians to be violet, to be more in line with historical colours (of course, it is more important for them to be distinguishable; so they cannot be all exactly the uniform's hues). If you don't have the Americans, that good for the Italians, so they can be properly green. All the trains I posted are supposed to the ww2 ones of that power by traditional TripleA colours.
EDIT: Oh, I didn't see the first post image before replying here. All colours look good to me, but I would switch the ones of France and Austria (France cannot really have the right colour, since it started with deep blue and ended with turquoise, and you want to use those for the sea).
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@CrazyG said in CrazyG's Big World War One:
I added a teaser image to the first post.
I'm adding Cernel's trains (I need a yellow one too).
Trying to get a working download.Redrum should have a nice yellow train.
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Okay, as soon as the YAML file updates, it should download correctly (fingers crossed, github is not my cup of tea).
Currently it downloads, but you will need to rename the master zip to "crazygs_ww1"
On names, I am going to change it, and I appreciate the suggestions. I rather like having the date (1914) included. I am considering making a 1915 version as well, it would be easy to rename.
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