Total World War: December 1941 3.0.0.6

Hepps

@mattbarnes What @Gully says is correct... you will also find Materials will behave in the same way. The only allowable move for either unit (AA Gun or Materials) is to move them onto a Sea Transport... any other move without a truck, Mech Inf or Air Transport is illegal as a player enforced rule.

Gully

minor visual bug: When Germany researches Logistics 2, all german airfields will display a green "+" to indicate it. But those in Finland, DanubeAxis and Vichy do not have the indicator. In the game engine, they are still germanAirfield, so I guess they can still scramble 3 planes.

redrum

@Gully I think it eventually updates those. But the tech indicators in general don't always update immediately. Its some sort of engine issue.

Captain Crunch

maybe your color depth or resolution? I actually get my comps icons looking different depending on my resolution ... just my thought

ubernaut

@Captain-Crunch i think it has something to do with the minor powers it only happens to them but it doesn't happen to all of them it's sorta random.

mattbarnes

Hi. I’ve played this map a lot and only just noticed a Haunebu appearing during the German automatic actions between turns, then disappearing. Wikipedia identifies it as a UFO. Is it just there for fun or any other reason?

Hepps

@mattbarnes Just for shits and giggles!=) Hitler is going to the dark side of the moon.

redrum

@Hepps Looks like there is a bug with Japan capital liberation unless I'm missing something. If Japan liberates its own capital the switch to allow the free engineer/factory is set to false before it grants the units (trigger 4 fires setting it to true after capital is lost, trigger 10 fires setting it to false after next combat move when japan trying to recapture it, trigger 9 never fires since its false):

        <attachment name="triggerAttachmentLiberationJapan4" attachTo="Usa" javaClass="TriggerAttachment" type="player">
            <option name="conditions" value="conditionAttachmentTokyolost"/>
            <option name="when" value="after:usaBattle"/>
            <option name="players" value="Japan"/>
            <option name="playerAttachmentName" value="RulesAttachment" count="conditionAttachmentLiberationJapan"/>
            <option name="playerProperty" value="switch" count="true"/>
        </attachment>
        <attachment name="triggerAttachmentLiberationJapan9" attachTo="Japan" javaClass="TriggerAttachment" type="player">
            <option name="conditions" value="conditionAttachmentLiberationJapan:conditionAttachmentTokyonotlost"/>
            <option name="placement" value="Tokyo:japaneseFactory"/>
            <option name="placement" value="Tokyo:japaneseCombatEngineer"/>
            <option name="when" value="before:japanCombatMove"/>
        </attachment>
        <attachment name="triggerAttachmentLiberationJapan10" attachTo="Japan" javaClass="TriggerAttachment" type="player">
            <option name="conditions" value="conditionAttachmentDummyCondition"/>
            <option name="playerAttachmentName" value="RulesAttachment" count="conditionAttachmentLiberationJapan"/>
            <option name="playerProperty" value="switch" count="false"/>
            <option name="when" value="after:japanCombatMove"/>
        </attachment>

Hepps

@redrum Did you just seriously ask me a trigger question? :zany_face:

redrum

@Hepps Well wanted to confirm that Japan should receive the factory/engineer and then I was "teaching" you why it isn't working

prastle

@Hepps note he is "teaching" again this means he has returned from his hiatus?

colin

Is it supposed to be allowed to move naval fighters their whole range to a battle where you are sending a carrier? It could lead to them not having a place to land if the attacker retreats, which makes me think it might be one of those things the engine allows that you're supposed to enforce yourself

ubernaut

@colin no you are allowed to assume no losses for the purposes of combat movement.

Hepps

@colin I would need to see an example of what you are asking as there are examples where the engine will allow you to move naval fighters where it should be considered illegal. Some of the validations the engine does for landing aircraft are not in keeping with the rules.

Cernel

@Hepps If TWW fully follows any basic rule regarding limitations related to being able to land for movement of air units then this

Is it supposed to be allowed to move naval fighters their whole range to a battle where you are sending a carrier? It could lead to them not having a place to land if the attacker retreats, which makes me think it might be one of those things the engine allows that you're supposed to enforce yourself

is always allowed, during Combat Move, as long as you will be able to land each of the fighters, as well as every other air unit of the turn power, that is launched (which, from v2 LHTR onwards, means all air units of the turn power), assuming you will win all the battles you make not losing any units.

Then, during Conduct Combat, you can freely take casualties and make retreat choices whether or not this will cause one or more of the launched air units to be unable to land.

Substantially, you are an humanitarian during Combat Move, but turn into a cynic as soon as Conduct Combat starts.

In the example, moving fighters of their full movement into a battle in a zone and sending into the same zone the carriers needed to land them, then retreating from the zone, during Conduct Combat, thus assuring the fighters will be unable to land anywhere, is a legal move.

Gully

@Cernel well one could argue that that's fine. Retreat often make units move further than they could otherwise. Good old Forward-Retreat: Have a slow army at the front and one tank attacking from behind, retreat. Whoops, your slow army just got teleported behind enemy lines.

ubernaut

@Gully not so sure i follow that analogy but this really isn't a TWW question perhaps @Panther might be willing to chime in here.

Panther

@ubernaut and @Cernel have layed out the general rule(s) correctly.

@Gully said in Total World War: December 1941 3.0.0.6:

Have a slow army at the front and one tank attacking from behind, retreat. Whoops, your slow army just got teleported behind enemy lines.

But that is a consequence of the retreat rules (retreat everything to a zone where at least one unit came from) and totally independent from what moves are allowed during Combat Move Phase. Also those units are not "teleported" from their initial position but move just one step further after surviving one or more rounds of combat - when retreating from the space the combat took place, as every attacking unit involved does, provided there has been a retreat option.

Cernel

@Gully said in Total World War: December 1941 3.0.0.6:

@Cernel well one could argue that that's fine.

As far as the basic games go (and I'm not mistaken), this is not an argument. Just the "must have a chance to land" rules do not exist once you are in the "Conduct Combat" phase (you can choose casualties and decide retreats without having to think about what you need to land at all).

ubernaut

just wondering if transports are meant to be able to launch amphibious assault versus a defending sub with no support.