Labyrinth - Official Thread
*** A TripleA Solo Adventure ***
Featuring 8 character classes!
- A d8 combat system.
- Complete randomization of "Encounters" at each territory! Never play the same game twice...
- Over 30 unique monsters
- Retainers for hire
- A 3 tier Level System for characters and retainers
- A 3 tier shop system offering different items, such as potions, spells, and runes
- Unique Exploration "Events" that may yield treasure (randomized like the Encounters above)!
No doubt there may be some more stuff I am forgetting at the moment, but I wanted to get a thread going since I am getting close to completion.
I don't know if there is any interest in playing a solo map but I thought the idea was intriguing. I also wanted to push myself on the xml and try to do some things like random encounters and events, just to see if it was not only possible but applicable in the map setting.
Stay tuned for more to come!
@Michael-Hoover sounds interesting. really cool how many possibilities are built into the engine never ceases to amaze.
@Michael-Hoover Neat. I love to see people taking the game in directions not traditional to Triple A.
@Michael-Hoover Nice. The more solo-maps, the more themes and settings, the better. Sounds sweet to play with heroes. Will there be hero upgrades and ordinary units also like in my Warcraft map? Or are you going all in for a role playing game experience and making a complex hero system?
Whatever the details are, it sure has me interested.
What map will you use? Will you make a new or use existing fantasy maps?
@Frostion Silly of me to forget to mention that is was a new map! Here is a teaser screenshot of the beginning:
Yes there will be hero and retainer upgrades - that's the three tier leveling system I mentioned. Not quite as massive as your Warcraft map, but similar in that regard.
This is a solo map but of course it effectively has two players: the Hero and the hidden/unplayable Labyrinth (which I call Maze in the xml for short, although this map is a true labyrinth, not a maze). So at the beginning of each Hero phase there is a Randomization step that determines at that point what the hero will be walking into. Thus it really is different every time you play!
Also notice the shop (the blue-roofed building). These are scattered throughout the labyrinth but you can buy items and hire retainers only when you are on a shop territory! Also in the screenshot to the left you can spot a cave - one of the "events" is to explore that cave. You may find something useful, you may waste your time...it's random!
I'm using four different resources on this map: PUs, Gold, XP, and Resolve.
The game's one and only PU is used at the very beginning for character selection. After that its all gold, xp, and resolve. Of course the gold is for purchasing/hiring at shops. XP is for levelling. Resolve is...well, when you run out your will to continue is just gone and you lose - so do try to get to the center of the Labyrinth before your resolve is gone!
I've still got a few issues I am working out but hopefully it will be ready for roll out in the next week or two.
Looks and sounds totally awesome! Looks very impressive for a number 2 map of yours.
I see that the Hero unit/units lack shadows that would fit match with the other graphics that seems to have shadows.
I could try to make some nice matching shadows if you want. If so, send me a link to the unit image files or maybe the entire map and I will try.
Also, is it intentional that a boat in the shown sea territories should have connections to the middle inland land territory? This makes it possible to load/unload from that sea territory to that land territory.
No matter what, when you make borders (as part of your map making process) you should always keep in mind, that you want to be ready to redo some "mistakes" that you identify later. I have learned this the hard way. It can be petty challenging, sometimes nearly impossible, to redo borders if one does not always keep backups and other files saves and ready.
sounds cool, hope it works like you want it too.
@Frostion That would be fantastic if you can help! I'll add you to the github repo I have so you can access all the files
The boat there in the screenshot is just there for flavor...it represents your character being dropped off at the entrance to the labyrinth. That first middle territory there with the shop and the two obelisks is the starting spot for the map. I really don't have anything against sea units, I just have yet to create a map that uses them lol
hopefully it gets placed in the depository because i dont do manual loads, i dont mess with files/folders, i am still eagerly waiting for Cernels new version of 270BC to hit the download list.
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@SilverBullet No worries I'll make sure to post it in the standard map downloads
@Michael-Hoover I have not been able to make images with shadows that looks like the ones the decoration objects have on the relief tiles. Those shadows lean towards the front, not the back, making them hard for my limited graphical skills to reproduce. Plus, if I did reproduce them, then the images would become larger in pixel size, not in a uniform top/down/left/right way, but only down/right. I imagine such pictures would look a bit strange when presented in the battle window, placement window etc.
But anyway, I did try to edit your original pictures in a way that I think makes them look better. The new images are a bit dimmed down in color brightness, smaller, outlined and I also made new resource and map mark images. I think the new images are more fitting the colors of the background/decoration. I will a link in chat. Ope you like them
Pictures of old and new images:
Question: Is it intentional that the “Maze” player directory has blank “Dead” images? And that dead-units are removed during game play? Maybe it would be nice to have and keep visual indications of what and when the heroes have killed stuff. Like letting the dead units/crosses stay on the map so that the player can hover over them to see what and when they killed stuff. Dunno what you think about that.
Error report: I dunno why, and if it is just because I use a pre-release engine version, but when I play there seems to be a graphical duplication of unit images when I walk through the maze? Look at this, it is like I leave behind ghosts of the adventuring party when moving. But it seems to be only graphically, not real units left behind in the territories:
@Frostion Hey thanks for trying on the shadows! Hopefully I'll get to dig in to the other images and stuff later today but from the screenshots they do look good! Can't wait to see them on the map...
I may be able to clean up the blank dead images now that 2.0 is out and allowing me to convert units at zero hp. This was a work-around I was using when I started developing the map so thanks for reminding me about it cause like I said I might be able to clean those up now.
As for the floating image error thing I noticed that too on pre-release, but once I made a few changes and merged my internal branches, and installed the latest 2.0 release, those artifacts went away. So I am not sure if it was a pre-release thing or an old code thing or perhaps a combo? It shouldn't be an issue once the map is ready for play though, since the minimum version will be 2.0
I have a few more tweaks and mods I need to make aside from integrating your contributions, but hopefully I can stay on track and we can have this ready to roll soon!
Sorry to the devs for making so many feature requests after you just released a new version, I am very grateful for all the hard work!
OK - been swamped with work but I finally think I can release this map! Will try to get it pushed today assuming nothing else blows up...
Please drop feedback although I may be a little long in getting to it as I seem to be unordinarily busy right now
@Michael-Hoover good luck, let us know if it makes it to the depot so we can play it.
Its pending right now. For some reason one of the validation checks failed on checking in the yaml file (its just text so I don't know what's up with that). Waiting for further instruction on that. As soon as it clears I'll post back!
This looks so nice. Where did you get the Unit pictures from?
I'm not feeling much of a labyrinth element. To me it feels like two huge linear random paths that merge and immediately split into other two over and over again, at decreasing intervals. In particular, the second couple (from after "Inner North Path 1" to before "South Ridge 1") seems to me as absolutely identical choices, as they are both 19 zones long with a cave at the 6th one, as I've not yet realized if anything else than caves I see on these paths matters (I'm at my first run and in "Outer SW Path 8", at the moment). All in all, at least at your first run (hardly knowing what you are going to get by going left or right), the "choose your own path" element appears to be much minor with respect to anything else, and the game feels about the same as if it would be just a purely linear path.
The game itself is a nice alternative to your typical TripleA map, and certainly something very different from any other TripleA games I know, but I'm feeling the game might be too long for its variety, even though you surely squeezed a lot of it for what can be done with a program like TripleA. At the moment I'm hoping some of those caves ahead will turn to be shortcuts to make me proceed faster to the centre of the labyrinth...
The entrance of the cave in "Outer SW Path 8" seems to be inside "Outer SW Path 7".
Nothing happened when I esplored the cave anyway. If nothing actually happened, the game should better tell you that the cave is empty.
Hero spend 5 Resolve on User Action: Action ExploreCave OuterSWPath8
Action ExploreCave OuterSWPath8 activates a trigger called: Trigger FlipExploreSwitches 1 OuterSWPath8
Trigger FlipExploreSwitches 1 OuterSWPath8: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_Explore1_OuterSWPath8 attached to Hero
Trigger FlipExploreSwitches 1 OuterSWPath8 activates a trigger called: Trigger FlipExploreSwitches 2 OuterSWPath8
Trigger Rolling is a Failure! (Rolled at 5 out of 8 Result: 7 for Trigger FlipExploreSwitches 2 OuterSWPath8)
I just got the notification that the cave was indeed empty, upon ending the "user actions" phase:
Note to players Hero: <body><center><img src="nothing.png"/></center><h2><center>Alas...You find nothing of value.</center></h2></body>
I believe this notification should rather be given immediately after making that action (entering the cave). If this is not possible, I'd open a feature request.
Since I'm at 35 XP or more, the game is keeping giving me the option to purchase "Hero production" upgrades. This is annoying because I can only purchase "Knight-r", and I have no "Squire-r" to upgrade.
This may be worked around with triggers adding the upgrades to the frontier only after you have the unit to upgrade on the board, even though this is really rather a program problem, as TripleA should just not offer you to purchase stuff if there is noting that you can both purchase and place. I suggest you open an issue about this in the project's repository.
I also find annoying that the game keeps asking you if you want to use the potion of healing. I had to skip that for many times, over and over again, when I was at 1 or 2 damage, and I'm thinking just not to buy any potion of healing but only when I would be using it, just not to be bothered with it. Sadly, I don't think currently TripleA really offers any smooth way to work with such items.
The game should inform the user that you can upgrade only if you are not wounded (I just bought a "Expert-Gladiator" I cannot place, because I have a "Wounded-Gladiator").
Regarding the potion of healing, I suggest having it just healing 1 point and making it cheaper, so that you will use it sooner and not keeping skipping the action when you have 1 or 2 damage only. I don't know if you would ever want not to use the potion of healing when you have more damage than its healing properties.