🏯 Sengoku - Nippon Warring States -Official Thread

[Cernel]

@thedog Pointing out that I know almost nothing of Japanese history, I'm curious how much historically correct this game is (as obviously the "Feudal Japan" games are not). Asking it an other way: is this game any good at re-enacting the events by which is inspired?

[TheDog]

It is not historically correct, that would require fixed territories and lots more clans all with politics, for which this map/scenario has no politics.

It is intended to be a FFA game, with the best players taking the worst position clans.

To be more historically correct and to give a better feel it would need a detailed map with say four times the current territories with mountain passes, volcanoes, cliffs and rocky shore lines etc

@ebbe might be doing such a map next year.

[Cernel]

@thedog I don't think it is a good idea deliberately to have increasingly disadvantaged powers in the assumption that increasingly better players will pick them. Opinions usually vary a lot on what a player is worth, so rarely anybody wants to play a side which he/she believes is disadvantaged whilst others do not recognize it as such.

[RogerCooper]

@thedog said in Sengoku - Nippon Warring States -Official Thread:

It is not historically correct, that would require fixed territories and lots more clans all with politics, for which this map/scenario has no politics.

It is intended to be a FFA game, with the best players taking the worst position clans.

To be more historically correct and to give a better feel it would need a detailed map with say four times the current territories with mountain passes, volcanoes, cliffs and rocky shore lines etc

@ebbe might be doing such a map next year.

I look forward to a more historical scenario, with fortresses, mountain passes and provinces with different values. As it is, I look the move into a more historical direction.

[beelee]

@thedog Nice ! Are you on Git ? We can load your map there.

[ebbe]

@beelee @the dog So nice someone picks up the Sengoku era again.. it is a fascinating historical setting for a good old FFA bash indeed... there are few maps around but personally I thought it could be much more into a historical feeling, and graphics

@thedog I really like your approach; I was heading the same way:
-like mountains implementation of mountains which is I would say essentail in such mountaneous territory as Japan ...
(also added active volcanoes, earthquakes and tsunami's as elementary game changers )
and I also have Peasant and Religious/Sectarian revolts ( like Ikko Ikko) COOL!

And I like the introduction of resources, you suggest gold mines...

I did a lot of research on Japan in this period on existing roads, mountain ranges, historical events, society setup, Clans setups & connections and Natural resources:

like for examle resources I found out that gold mines are very scarce in Japan.... but there are silver mines...

I made a map setup with ballanced resources/bonus territories
for all Clans, with possibilities of getting a bonus by getting a monopoy on them...
resources are for example: Salt, Silver mine, Jade, Silk production..
other bonus areas are: Shintoist and Buddihist religious centers... or main temples... sea trade cities, and some regions famous for Kitana sword making ...

main theme for this society is honour,
like bravery in battle but also for owning a famous bonsai trea.. (really!) or hosting a skilled tea master or wood block printer at ones court...
my basic setting is with 12 Main playable Clans,
and some nonplayable minors at game start....

anyway too much detail:
just wanne share I have lot of graphics, a detailed map and lot of info ready to be melted into a decent Sengoku map...
and am really happy that @thedog kickedoff this one and seems heading in the direction as I wanted too....

I was planning to get started january 2022, as I am still busy with final edition on WW2 Oil & Snow....if you feel like a cooperation? let me know.... would be nice.... seems we follow some main targets....

I share some of the huge amount of graphics I allready made for this map: to get an idea.... 3 months work on getting Japanese style woodblockprint message -pictures, bonus cards, missions, and so on to be continued.... and @beelee for getting it on Github: definately not ask me... haha

to get and idea of some of the >100 some graphics I prepared allready:

[ebbe]

and for the map: this is the first attempt, I am allready halfway a second one.... big changes will be cleaner bigger spaces for units... a better sea graphic.. and most labour intensive: I want each province to have a system of Clan banners that will swap to the current owner... and like in oil and snow: a status of the territories terrain, economical valua and so...
and seazones instead of the movement lines...

anyway... can't wait for 2022 .... feel free to join...support..

[TheDog]

@cernel said in Sengoku - Nippon Warring States -Official Thread:

@thedog I don't think it is a good idea deliberately to have increasingly disadvantaged powers in the assumption that increasingly better players will pick them. Opinions usually vary a lot on what a player is worth, so rarely anybody wants to play a side which he/she believes is disadvantaged whilst others do not recognize it as such.

It is difficult to balance gameplay when you are in the middle of an island as you get attacked from at least two sides, more if you include the sea. I am working on making the game play balance better for the Oda clan, probably by giving them more starting PU or maybe moving them up the turn order.

[TheDog]

beelee said in Sengoku - Nippon Warring States -Official Thread:

@thedog Nice ! Are you on Git ? We can load your map there.

I dont like Git, maybe I will try again, but having spent 3 hours of my life and failing to load one of my maps, it is far easier to host on google drive, it just works.

I dont feel this map is balanced, so I will wait for feed back and maybe in a future revision.

But thanks for the offer of help!

[TheDog]

@ebbe
I would love to help you with your map and scenarios. My main aid would be in;

• the xml, although I'm still learning
• testing.

Please setup a new thread so we and others can discuss what will go in the first draft?
Or I will if you want me to?

[ebbe]

@thedog yes same for me for the Github part!

you allready started this thread, I'll definately join in... just share once in a while what your focus is and I sg=hare my humble opinion and info, ok?
as still have some stuff to finish coming time...

I can send you my map full scale.... the impassable mountain ranges, mountain-passes and active volcanoes are accurate,
same for resources if you want to implement them as bonus like objective when reaching a monopoly on one of them..

[beelee]

As my Buddy's Dad Ron would say right before a shot of Sake "Banzai"

[TheDog]

Download latest version 1.02

• New Date Clan/Faction in the far east of Honshu, now 6 Clans
• Changed the Clan turn order, as Date is the easiest to play and impacts on the other eastern Clans
• Mount Fuji 1VC, was 2VC
• Changed starting pu this is intended to help balance Oda Clan being in the middle of the map.
• Gold-Mines & Ship-Timber territories are now included in random placement, sadly they can look contested, but ignore this
• Gold-Mines & Ship-Timber numbers now equate to pu, before it was implied as x3
• Each Clan starts with two territories adjacent to each other, so slightly more historical
• Each Clan starts with 5 random minor clans politically aligned, was 6
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  See post 1 for download link and more details and how to install.
  https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/2984/sengoku-nippon-warring-states-official-thread

[TheDog]

Download latest version 1.03

New in this release

• Clan Politics has 3 stances, War (default), Neutral and Allied. This added over 1000 lines of code.
• Clan Politics is at the end of the turn for all Clans
• The Rebel Ikko Ikki are stronger, they get a spiritual capital in Kaga, that they will fight for. Historically they owned this province for just under 100 years!!!
• Rocky Shores, includes cliffs, that cannot be crossed by sea invasion and ship building. These are represented by a swirling sea image in the sea zone against a land territory.
• 40+ land-sea connections have been removed, because of Rocky Shores
• Removed Blockade Zones where a Sea Zone is all Rocky Shores

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Options - FYI

• Can turn off the Random Territories and place them manually, so more historical in Map Option before the Game start
• Can turn off the Politics in Map Option before the Game start
• Can turn off the Rebels faction (Ikko Ikki and Wako/Pirates) by Unticking the Use Rebels faction before the Game start
• For those players who don’t like the maps bright colours, in game, View> Show Map Blends (Tick)
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  See post 1 for download link and more details and how to install.
  https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/2984/sengoku-nippon-warring-states-official-thread

@ebbe

[TheDog]

Download latest version 1.04

New in this release

• New Objectives panel with new Victory Conditions, this replaces Projection of Power VCs.
• The new Victory Conditions encourage Clans to fight for Kyoto/Kamashiro and the 5 surrounding territories to reflect their historical machinations.
• Ikko Ikki - get a Castle and now own Kaga from the start, they are even more of a threat
• Improved Castle & Fort/Temple support values - now harder to take
• Sohei swap their Naginata & Odachi(anti cavalry weapons) bonus for a Mikoshi/portable shrine to inspire their Farmers bonus

Options - FYI

• Can turn off the Random Territories in Map Option before the Game start
• Can turn off the Politics in Map Option before the Game start
• Can turn off the Rebels faction (Ikko Ikki and Wako/Pirates) by Unticking the Use Rebels faction before the Game start
• For those players who don’t like the maps bright colours, in game, View> Show Map Blends (Tick)
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• Can turn on Projection of Power, but should turn off Triggered Victory
• Can turn on Economic Victory, but should turn off Triggered Victory
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  See post 1 for download link and more details and how to install.
  https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/2984/sengoku-nippon-warring-states-official-thread

[RogerCooper]

@thedog I am glad to see the Ikko Ikki being more of threat. It's time to show up those arrogant Samurai.

[RogerCooper]

@rogercooper I noticed that the mod has never been posted to Github. Are you OK with my posting it or it has been superseded?

[TheDog]

@rogercooper
Thanks for asking, it has been superseded, by the Shogun and Shogun Advanced.

[RogerCooper]

@thedog It was a good mod in its own right.

[TheDog]

@rogercooper

It was a good mod in its own right.

Well please upload it to GitHub, but I will not support/maintain it.