💥 1941 Global Command Decision - Official Thread
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@samurai-jd said in A more challenging AI:
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1941 Global Command Decision - Official ThreadFirst, for a guy who has played TripleA in the earliest of days and before that all the published versions of the Axis and Allies board games since the 1980s, the GCD map and rules is a true masterpiece. Thank you.
I play solo. Can anything be done to improve the skill of the AI? I have tried both Fast and Hard modes. No matter how I favor the AI (through multiple iterations as either Axis or Allies) the AI is finished by the 7th round. In my most current effort, I start with 2700 units for the Axis and 2400 units for the Allies. Especially when the AI plays as the Allies, I can NEVER get the USA to invade Continental Europe no matter how favorable I set the situation.
I appreciate your time and the incredible game that you have so elegantly created.
Samurai JD
Thanks for your 1st post, thanks for the kind words.
Can anything be done to improve the skill of the AI?
Probably not without some serious engine tweaks or a new AI. Currently the two AIs are weakest at sea.
1941 GCD was probably the first map designed to be played solo v the AI, Im still looking for ways to improve AI play.I start with 2700 units for the Axis and 2400 units for the Allies.
Does this work? As this means the AI will buy very little as each unit cost 1pu for upkeep/maintenance.
From play test, I know that if you swamp the Atlantic with uBoats both AIs will back off and not try to cross/invade Europe, even though the USA usually has the spare PU to out manufacture Germany.
the AI is finished by the 7th round
Please elaborate on this, for all factions?
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@thedog yea years ago Zim Xero made a solo map for the Pacific. It had quite a few cool things. You might want to check it out if you haven't already. He may have some ideas you haven't considered yet.
"Pacific Theatre" I think it is
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@beelee
Thanks, I have never played or looked at it. -
I did years ago and enjoyed it. He was quite innovative with what triplea could do back then.
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@beelee
I have played 2 games and got battered, he sets a high bar, next game will be on Easy mode.
Uploaded 11 years ago, 2014-ish, so yes very good for its time, it does have some interesting ideas/concepts.
In the downloads its called Pacific Challenge
To quote Zim Xero
Updated single-player variant of the WW2 Pacific conflict using a modded map created by Triple_Elk, iron__cross, and ComradeKev. This map features AI interactivity, diverging timelines, a unique technology system, nontraditional unit statistics, resources, a 'quick-to-learn hard-to-master' play style, and built-in difficulty selection. Designed for challenging human play as Japan versus the AI. -
heh heh yea I remember it had a lot of cool stuff
Might want to add it to your list of triplea games
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Latest version v230 ready for download.
In TripleA
Click Download Maps Button
Click Installed tab
Click 1941 Global Command Decision
Click Remove Button
Click Yes button to remove
Click Ok button (Successfully removed)
Click Close (To force the map list to refresh)
Click Download Maps Button
Find & Click 1941 Global Command Decision
Click Install button(be aware, displayed percentage download is NOT working as intended, have a coffee, it takes minutes to download)
Enjoy!.
v230- New capital marker in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean hopefully improves AI USA invasion of Europe (Thanks @samurai-jd )
- USA AI ship production now dependant on Industries
- Britain AI ship production now dependant on Industries
- If Persian Corridor, Baku, Fars, Hamadan, Tehran, Gilan is broken all the Lend-Lease-Depots are removed
- If Burma Road, N.Burma, Yunnan is broken all the Lend-Lease-Depots are removed
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Current v225 documentation, land & sea AA stats and last page has winter turn on instructions.
1941_Global_Command_Decision_Manual.pdf Suggested stable TripleA version
https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/releases/tag/2.7.15025
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Link to 1st post that has;
Downloads for new Players
https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/3326/1941-global-command-decision-official-thread -
Thank you for the replies.
I will download and install the new version of 1941 GCD and test straight away.
I recognize that the AI struggles as units (and additional variables of complexity, such as additional PUs) are increased (in my case, exponentially). However, without USA intervention, the Axis conquers Western and Eastern Europe too easily--even on this elegantly detailed map.
I am no software developer, so I may be naive regarding how the AI may be tweaked to be more aggressive. Personally, I would much prefer to play against an AI whose motto is, "it is a good day to die", over "defend the homeland".
Thank you for listening.
Samurai JD
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Allies, especially UK, better at attacking Western Europe in the most recent GCD iteration.
As one who grew up playing all the WWII board game variations, attacks by the USA on South America made sense only when playing for a PU-driven game--especially if game time was limited.
I respectfully suggest that in this great game of GCD, the USA is wasting time attacking South America in the early rounds and is making the Axis powers (Germany) de facto winners. Can the game be tuned for the USA to ignore South America all together?
Thank you.
Samuria JD
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Can the game be tuned for the USA to ignore South America all together?
No, as the AI is general purpose, and us mapmakers don't have that much control over it.The Fast-AI motto could be "it is a good day to die", as the Hard-AI attempts to look ahead and evaluate what could happen next.
What you could do is change when say Brazil declares for the USA.
Change line 6582<option name="rounds" value="2"/>
to
<option name="rounds" value="1"/>and line 6601 to
<option name="rounds" value="1"/>This would make Brazil and other TT, USA owned and the US would not send invasion forces just defence forces.
Bare in mind the US does not get its HQs till round 4, so it is at a big disadvantage till they can be front lined.
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Roger all that.
I have not seen substantive changes in AI play whether the Fast AI or the Hard AI is employed.
On another consideration, I understand that the game can and should be able to morph from the reality of WWII. However, the AI devotes too many USSR resources to defending their eastern flank against Japan at the expense of counterattacking against the Nazis. I have gone so far as to remove factories from east of the Urals and creating a near impassable neutral zone with limited success
.Still Russia defends their eastern borders as the Nazis close on Moscow.
May I suggest that Lend/Lease be active immediately for the USA to provide military resources to the USSR. It would also give the USA something to do besides occupying the eastern Pacific.
Finally, I have made changes to first round of the game to help entice the AI to attack Western Europe and Northwestern Africa.
. Naturally I have changed relationships so all major combatants can attack the neutrals.These thoughts and suggestions are offered humbly and are in no way critical of your game. I have waited a long time for something as elegant and sophisticated as GCD.
Samurai JD.
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I have not seen substantive changes in AI play whether the Fast AI or the Hard AI is employed.
Shame
All 4 Lend-Lease-Depots are active from turn 1. The USA gives 20pu per turn to USSR whilst Vladivostok is USSR, this is automatic.
Other changes you could make are (line 6764)
<option name="placement" value="Archangelsk:Armor-Med"/>
remove 8pu, change it 9puand (line 6790)
<option name="placement" value="Baku-Azerbaijan:Armor-Med"/>ALthough the 2 Armour-Med is minor it forces resources nearer the west and not the east.
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Latest version v235 ready for download.
In TripleA
Click Download Maps Button
Click Installed tab
Click 1941 Global Command Decision
Click Remove Button
Click Yes button to remove
Click Ok button (Successfully removed)
Click Close (To force the map list to refresh)
Click Download Maps Button
Find & Click 1941 Global Command Decision
Click Install button(be aware, displayed percentage download is NOT working as intended, have a coffee, it takes minutes to download)
Enjoy!.
v235- All 2HP, Armor-Inf, Armor-Hvy Battleship, Carrier, Carrier-Fleet all cost 2pu for Upkeep/turn, was 1pu (Forgot to do this )
- New Infrastructure called Factory add 3pu/turn/Factory can stack upto 2 per TT with Industry-Med or Industry-Hvy
This is to simulate increases in production as the war progressed, as they cost 9pu, that gives ROI after 3 turns. (Can you afford the opportunity Cost?) - Manual p6-7 been updated with above
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Current v235 documentation, new Factory p6-7 and last page has winter turn on instructions.
1941_Global_Command_Decision_Manual.pdf Suggested stable TripleA version
https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/releases/tag/2.7.15025
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Link to 1st post that has;
Downloads for new Players
https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/3326/1941-global-command-decision-official-thread - All 2HP, Armor-Inf, Armor-Hvy Battleship, Carrier, Carrier-Fleet all cost 2pu for Upkeep/turn, was 1pu (Forgot to do this
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Apologies the update to v235 failed,
but now should be downloadable. -
Latest version v240 ready for download.
In TripleA
Click Download Maps Button
Click Installed tab
Click 1941 Global Command Decision
Click Remove Button
Click Yes button to remove
Click Ok button (Successfully removed)
Click Close (To force the map list to refresh)
Click Download Maps Button
Find & Click 1941 Global Command Decision
Click Install button(be aware, displayed percentage download is NOT working as intended, have a coffee, it takes minutes to download)
Enjoy!.
v240- Cruiser 7pu was 8
- Battleship 15pu was 18
- Carrier-Fleet 16pu was 18
- Submarines cannot target Submarines
- Chinese Themed reinforcements Inf-Trained x3, was Inf-Conscript x1 & Inf-Trained x2
- China had a massive population and these are Conscripts through battle attrition who are now Trained
War Bonds - Game Options has 2 new tick boxes
War Bonds bonus to all AI Allies
War Bonds bonus to all AI Axis
If you are a veteran player and like playing Axis then for a harder game tick War Bonds bonus to all AI Allies, this will give 2d6pu to each of the 5 Allied nations/turn - Removed Factory added last version , these unbalanced the AI, too in favour of the Allies. (code commented out)
- Manual has been updated with above
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Current v240 documentation, last page has winter turn on instructions.
1941_Global_Command_Decision_Manual.pdf Suggested minimum stable TripleA version
https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/releases/tag/2.7.15025
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Link to 1st post that has;
Downloads for new Players
https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/3326/1941-global-command-decision-official-thread -
Someone has recently posted a problem on GitHub, its anonymous, with an old version of TripleA.
Only newer versions will be fixed as the the Devs will say upgrade and test again.As a minimum Players should upgrade to;
Last version that centers on the active player's capital
https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/releases/tag/2.7.15025Technology tab split from players tab on to its own tab. (Really good for 1888a as it has a lot of Tech)
https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/releases/tag/2.7.15256.
Windows: How to have multiple versions of TripleA to play all the maps.
https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/3724/how-to-have-triplea-2-5-2-6-installed-at-the-same-timeMac:
https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/3724/how-to-have-triplea-2-5-2-6-installed-at-the-same-time/7https://forums.triplea-game.org/tags/thedog
https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/3741/curated-best-top-maps-triplea-guides -
@thedog @beelee @Trout
This TripleA ENGINE VERSION is always getting me into trouble.I have been immersed in G40 EXP with boxes The Captain's Expansion so I can play in their upcoming Fall Denmark tourney...
But I tried your game again, the 1941 GCD, because I recall having a nice time with it a year ago - and yea, I had tons of werid behavior but not sure if I reported anything.
So @beelee and @trout and others all tell me to get the latest version and I keep thinking I have that. But now my number 2.7.14962 is different from your 2.715025....2.715256.
How often do these things change?
HOW DO WE KNOW what is the latest version?
THIS IS VERY CONFUSING.
Is there a way to get us all to EASILY SEE what is what?
SUGGESTION: Could we get the TripleA launch screen (my uploaded image) to check some standard site location for the latest version and then advise the player IN BIG RED LETTERS: something like, "Please upgrade to very 2.89xxx at URL://blah blah"
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I just installed the newest TripleA_2.7+15256_macos.dmg
And started your game - and my compliments on the many improvements !!!
But here is the problem that I kept getting. A few days ago each German turn would present a couple dozen of these windows. Today only got one but only just started a new game.
Is this NORMAL? Is this some tech thing?
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@johnnycat
I was going to suggest upgrading to that version 2.7.15256That is the version I am currently using.
As 2.7 is a pre-release it is up to the player themselves to choose what version they use.
But to help you decide, go here, as I will suggest a few versions that I view as decent and worth the effort to upgrade to.
https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/3741/curated-best-top-maps-triplea-guides -
@JohnnyCat
That is not an error, it is a notification, to turn it off, do this in game.To reduced failure notices Game> User Notification> Show Trigger/condition Chance Roll Failure (UnTick)
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