⭕ Middle Earth 3rd Age - Official Thread
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@thedog
Game number 6 on this map playing as Dwarves. It's not take an expert player to see that some of the settings, clearly a draft, broken the balance of the original map.
The tricky balance of ME based maps is broken in this one. And I'm quite confident of what I say about turn based war games, et similia.
I had some more feedbacks to give on this map, but I don't see you really appreciate.
I wish you good work.
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@paolo-carrera
I would appreciate more feedback. My testing is just me and the AIs, so not
extensive.
Another players sense of balance and perspective is what this map needs.You have already given your first impressions, do they still hold after playing a few games?
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Latest version 010 ready for download from 1st page 1st post
Fix (thanks to @Paolo-Carrera for finding this)
Dwarf - dwarven_halberdier is a mountaineer as it should have been..
Changes (thanks to Paolo-Carrera for the suggestions)- Dwarf - Halls of Gror units now the same as Battle for Arda
- Rhun - chariot and wain_rider_chieftain, both suffer -1 on attack & defence in hills
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Link to 1st post that has the download link
https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/3729/middle-earth-3rd-age-official-thread -
@thedog Thank you so much for your work on this map. It's consumed my life for the past week.
Not certain if it's all faction's Spiders: Dol Guldur's spiders have the mountaineer tag, but are unable to actually enter mountains. That might be fine; Spiders are incredibly overpowered. Having 2 HP, 3 movement, plus the web debuff, for 11PUs is insane. They might be OK with a recruit limit and 2 movement, and giving dwarves a chance by allowing them to hide in the mountains - currently, it seems like stacking Spiders has no downside.
Tharbad seems to be marked as Player Important, which is causing Isengard to stack it. By round 4 of every game, Isengard is losing hard to Rohan, and yet still producing and pushing out of Tharbad as long as they can. It makes playing Rohan or Lorien trivial, and playing Orcs or Mordor a bit frustrating. I appreciate you're trying to herd cats with trying to deal with AI players, but that might be worth taking a look at.
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@chowdler
Welcome to the forums and your 1st post!
Thanks for engaging.Yes Spiders should cost about 20
thanks will update soon.Tharbad, I will have to test, so yes worth a look, again thanks.
ps. I like your analogy trying to herd cats with trying to deal with AI
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@thedog after spending more time with other factions, it does feel like Isengard has a very weak roster. Their leadership is reliant on Crebain, which are 1 health fliers, making them prone to getting picked off with AA, recruit capped, and unable to defend a stack that just took a territory. Both Uruk-hai feel understatted for the cost. And given their position, having their fodder unit as the only mountaineer makes it very difficult to trade effectively with Lothlorien, and deal with the Rivendell/Freefolk threat that inevitably kicks the door down through Tharbad.
I think the faction might feel better with these changes:
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Drop Uruk-hai pike to 5 cost. Remove half-orcs. Given how much stronger attacking is against defending, especially for Isengard (no first strike capabilities in the roster, warg charge is only on attack, Crebain leadership on a stack is typically missing except when turtling, spear is not that effective of a debuff since cav still get a charge) defensive stats are not nearly as useful as attacking stats. Given many archer units are 4 IPCs for 3 first strike defense, the unit, I think, would be fine with at 5 IPCs.
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Give the other Uruk-hai mountaineer.
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Give Crebain 2 HP, boost their cost to 10. That might seem thematically odd, given they are crows. But it's explainable by them being a swarm of small animals; taking a volley of arrows takes out half of them, but destroying the whole swarm would take quite a bit of effort.
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@Chowdler
Thanks for your ideas above, they are under consideration. Hopefully your 1st post is addressed below. -
Latest version 015 ready for download from 1st page 1st post
- Spider 20pu was 11pu, vastly underpointed (thanks @chowdler)
- Spider can now enter mountains (thanks chowdler)
- Tharbad now not of Player interest, so AI will focus less on it (thanks chowdler)
- Saruman added warg_scout unit (thanks chowdler for the idea of another Mountaineer unit)
- Gondor Minas Tirith ancient_wall now 4, was 3, needed to rebalance because of above
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Link to 1st post that has the download link
https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/3729/middle-earth-3rd-age-official-thread
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