Image Icons

[General_Zod]

@redrum I like the one with the "quantity then medium icon". I'm with prastle on this, tiny ones would be difficult. (with tooltips for resources)

Although, a very close second choice is "quantity, name, small icon".

I don't think new player would enjoy if purchase appeared ambiguous.

[heppsisuarus]

I vote for the HOI window...

[prastle]

@heppsisuarus ya know he is a TripleA junkie when while on a holiday he still has to use his phone to check forum

[heppsisuarus]

@prastle I am an unabashed junkie. I feel neither remorse nor shame.... just feed the addiction.

[redrum]

@heppsisuarus But apparently can't remember his regular password...

[prastle]

@heppsisuarus hehe i will upvote a heppisaurus
sadly it doesn't tie to your alter ego

[heppsisuarus]

Definitely medium.

I have some recommendations as to the overall presentation of all the info.... but alas I am a (relatively) far away from home and cannot draw the pictures that would otherwise be said by a thousand words.

[Frostion]

I also say "Quantity then medium"
But could you you then please try to enlarge the quantity font 1 or 2 seizes so that they fit the picure size a bit more? (Absolutely not to a degree that makes a single resource cost line take up more vertical space.) (Edit: Maybe all the text in the entire window should be enlarged by 1 or 2) (Edit 2: Then you could perhaps remove the extra "space" you made between the unit and numbers, but we would have to see.)

Also, I would already advocate for the bottom bar of the purchase screen to not remove the resource texts. I would recommend it be displayed as something similar to:

10 PUs, 5 Food , 7 Wood
or
10 (PUs), 5 (Food), 7 (Wood)

This is because I think that it may be good to have at least one place that reminds the player what the icons actually symbolize. We wouldn't like to have player in chats and forums beginning to call fuel "drums", PUs "cash", Food "Apples" or "Steaks" ... calling the resources what they see in the icons instead of the real definitions. I don't think explanations in the notes would be sufficient and we cant expect player to intentionally use the tooltips to investigate what the icons represent. I think the real resource definition should be repeatedly and visually printed into the player's mind.

(Be advised that I am not a psychologist ... But I still think that I got a point )

[General_Zod]

@frostion That seems reasonable. The new players will have a reference without searching. Also I think the typical noob doesn't even know tool tips exist.

[redrum]

@frostion Yeah, I think leaving the resource text alongside the icon at the bottom of the purchase window makes sense. If I leave the "medium" size at 24x24 then yeah there is really no reason not to increase the quantity font size a bit. Though what I'd like to try 16x16 and 20x20 to see if those still look pretty good while saving a bit of vertical space.

If anyone wants to upload 16x16 and 20x20 versions of the Civil War resources that would save me a bit of time

[CrazyG]

@frostion said in Image Icons:

This is because I think that it may be good to have at least one place that reminds the player what the icons actually symbolize. We wouldn't like to have player in chats and forums beginning to call fuel "drums", PUs "cash", Food "Apples" or "Steaks" ... calling the resources what they see in the icons instead of the real definitions. I don't think explanations in the notes would be sufficient and we cant expect player to intentionally use the tooltips to investigate what the icons represent. I think the real resource definition should be repeatedly and visually printed into the player's mind.

In civ 5, its very common for players to call production "hammers", to call science "beakers", so this is definently a thing.

Can I ask a quesiton about PUs real quick. Are we pretty much stuck with that as the default resource because of old code? Anyway to rename it, at least for appearances? I would much rather have a map spending gold or something

[Frostion]

Yea, I hope we are able to create a full set of the standard Icons in good quality? Is it @Hepps who is the keeper if the original artwork?

@redrum We see in you example pictures how it looks when a unit cost 4 different resources. I would think going larger that 16 might be too much as the whole row of unit/cost display is expanded in hight. But no harm in trying

[Hepps]

@redrum Still need those resized images?

[redrum]

@hepps Yes, please. I think at least posting a few screenshots with 16x16 and 20x20 is probably worth the time. I'm fairly sure we have consensus that 12x12 icons are useless.

[Hepps]

@redrum So then what are we thinking 16 x 16, 20 x 20 and 48 x 48?

[redrum]

@hepps I'm just focusing on the small resource icon at the moment but here are my thoughts:

• Small - either 16x16, 20x20, 24x24 - used for areas with text like purchase costs
• Medium - either 24x24, 28x28, 32x32 - used for bottom bar, other main UI areas
• Large - 48x48? I think that is the most used unit image size? - used when displaying them as a 'unit'

[Hepps]

@redrum Yah that looks ideal. Allows for some individual customization.

I'll work on those for you now that I am home.

[redrum]

@hepps Right, though I'd like to pick the 'best' and make that what we include in the engine for each size as well as our 'recommendation' to map makers.

[Hepps]

@redrum I just moved a few things around and included the resources as a 32 x 32 size image, increased the font for the quantity to 16 and made it bold.

[redrum]

Alright so here are some options with other image sizes. My initial thoughts is I prefer 16/20 over the 24 as they seem identifiable but don't take up as much space. No real preference on not bold vs bold as I think bold looks better but then it makes me starting wondering what else should be bold

16x16

20x20

16x16 with Bold Quantity

20x20 with Bold Quantity