Crazy Europe: House of Habsburg

[prastle]

@general_zod no you are correct gz

[Hepps]

@CrazyG Just some more info for corrections...

The Italian Trade routes don't appear to get captured when an opponent occupies the SZ.

The following connections in Turkey are missing...

T37<-> T57
T22<-> T58
T24<-> T58
T27<-> T57

[Hepps]

@hepps Here is another screen shot.

None of the finishing graphics are done. this is really just supposed to detail the territory outline changes.

[redrum]

@hepps Looks like you added a bit of 'texture' to the land territories as well? I hadn't noticed that in any of the other screenshots.

[Hepps]

@redrum Well some guy suggested that I redo all the territory lines... so I had started over. The land texture is just the outline I am using to create realistic land forms. Once I finish all the "beautification" @CrazyG can make a determination of how much or how little decoration he wants. Then a separate skin can be done if the detailed version is wanted left out.

[prastle]

@crazyg all bot servers have been updated Except JP and GA. They also are all running .9687. Thanks! @ssoloff .

[Cernel]

@hepps @CrazyG For Sicily, since it is wider east-west, than north-south, how about these territories, for better capturing the shape of the island:

On the other hand, as per the meaning of its alternative name Trinacria, Sicily being split into 3 would be more in line with its traditional partitions.

[CrazyG]

I really don't think I need to add any more territories.

Its obviously nice for movement and combat to have lots of territories, but it also really inflates the income. And having that extra territory doesn't seem to change much about combat or movement to me.

@Hepps
It appears you are right. Turkey 57 and 58 were changed late in the process its why I forgot

No clue whats up with the convoy zones.

[Hepps]

@crazyg well I may be wrong... just one of the things I scribbled down while playing.... I was looking at the map using the territory tab... and when I hovered over it it said it was controlled by Italy.... even though there was Ottoman vessel in the SZ. I did not re-verify Italian income however.

[Hepps]

Here's a bit more of Italy and its surrounds....

Work continues.

[Frostion]

@Hepps and @CrazyG
I really think that a tiny bit of texturing would lift the graphics up to a higher level.

Also, I think there are some minor border lines that should be clearer for the players. Like the connection from the deep sea above Sicily to the shore west of Sicily. I think this “passage” should be more visually obvious. I tried to redraw the border.

And if the top of Sardinia, and the sea invasion possibilities, should be more obvious, then maybe my drawn red line could work. Otherwise, and if it fits the map, maybe the orange could work.

Just want to help!

[General_Zod]

@Frostion @Hepps

I like the way it coming out, very nice. The stars will be very helpful too, nice addition.

Yeah I also thought some of the borders of invasion beaches was slightly confusing. Although some of them also make it an extra sea zone to sail, which might be a god thing too. Hard to say until its played more, which I'm sure it will since it's such an appealing map (many ignore off putting maps regardless of play quality).

If can make a request on texture, try to keep it 50% zoom friendly for those of us who like big picture and territory tab style play .

[Cernel]

@frostion I'd say red. Makes sense that Corsica to S.Sardinia is a longer way to go.

This also reminds me that, at this scope, I would definitely consider adding the Elbe island (representing all the Tuscan Archipelago), but only if you add Cefalonia too.

[Hepps]

This has been more work than I intended... That being said... I now have all the coastal outlines done and the internal connections are much easier.

Work has picked up momentum significantly. Crazy I shall continue to plow through this as quickly as I can.

Here is a bit of a preview...

[prastle]

@hepps can I add more carrots to prompt you forward? Nice stuff

[Hepps]

@prastle Going well Pras... Scotch not carrots would help.

Should be at 50% by tomorrow morning.

[prastle]

@hepps that requires a drive to boonie land :0

[Cernel]

@hepps It always is... it always is...

The map looks very nice, and demostrates that you don't even need relief to have a very good looking map, except that I'm not getting why the Dardanelles are so much wider than the Bosphorous. I know that in some games you have a canal in the Bosphorous and not in the Dardanelles, and also at this time you have some Turkish forts more in there, with some big cannons pointed at the sea, but I think that, whatever the rules, the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus should go the same way, because they are geographically about the same deal.
They used to be called the Straits of Saint George, in medieval times, at least in Venice, but I don't know if the name stuck until this age.

[Hepps]

@cernel Purely has to do with placements Cernel.

Also there is nothing to prevent setting both Sea connections up as canals or straits. CG designed the map in such a way that both are possible. I am trying to keep the overall structure of the map consistent with the original and trying to keep unit placement quantities in mind while making revisions. Having adequate placements per Terr. or S.Z. is of greater importance than exact geographical representation.

[Hepps]

Central parts of Europe are certainly more spacious with the reduction in the line widths.