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    • prastleP Offline
      prastle Moderators Admin @Hepps
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      @hepps Nope
      also needs the move para first and control/click movement fixed
      It shouldn't need to matter if ya do it at start of round.
      AND it shouldn't require control movements
      of fly pattern

      If we open a quarrel between past and present, we shall find that we have lost the future! Sir Winston Churchill

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        prastle Moderators Admin @prastle
        last edited by prastle

        @Hepps to clarfy this occurs any game with paras and non com movement.

        But i can say I never checked in tww

        If we open a quarrel between past and present, we shall find that we have lost the future! Sir Winston Churchill

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        • HeppsH Offline
          Hepps Moderators @prastle
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          @prastle Then don't know how you are saying no. Just because you have never looked for a solution.... doesn't mean one isn't available. 😃

          "A joyous heart sours with the burden of expectation"
          Hepster

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            prastle Moderators Admin @Hepps
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            @hepps k boss i will test

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              prastle Moderators Admin @prastle
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              @Hepps but it doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed for all other maps! 🙂

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                Hepps Moderators @prastle
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                @prastle Fixing things in lots of available maps is a highly subjective thing. 😉

                "A joyous heart sours with the burden of expectation"
                Hepster

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                  beelee @Hepps
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                  @hepps Ran into a retreat problem for my elite dude. He's not supposed to be able to when being air dropped. Checked POS and TWW but couldn't find how to make it happen.

                  Know you're busy but would appreciate it if you would clue me in when you get a chance : )

                  Thanks

                  OK got it to kinda work. If I kill the elite and then try and retreat the transport i get "couldn't find step name germans withdraw". Still lets it retreat but I've never seen that before. I'll dick with it some more.

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                    Hepps Moderators @beelee
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                    @beelee To my knowledge the airdropped unit has always retained the ability to retreat if it is not taken as a casualty. I know it has always been the case in TWW.

                    I think the only retreats that are currently blockable are amphibious assaults.

                    "A joyous heart sours with the burden of expectation"
                    Hepster

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                      beelee @Hepps
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                      @hepps right on. I got it set so they can "Go Deep" so maybe that's why ? It's a little confusing still. I saved before the changes when i got it not to retreat. I need to go through it all again and see exactly what's happening.

                      A cool thing was i ran across "canInvadeOnlyFrom" which I wasn't aware of. I'll let ya know what I end up with : ) Heh heh Yanks just scored sweet. Have to take a break for a bit : )

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                        prastle Moderators Admin @beelee
                        last edited by

                        @beelee go deep is fine
                        as long as you don't want them to stop at first flyover of enemy ter

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                          Hepps Moderators @beelee
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                          @beelee As far as I know the "canInvadeOnlyFrom" only controls the behavior of Sea Transports. I may be wrong but I don't think this has any way to limit the behavior of airdrops specifically. I could be wrong... I have not played around with this function all that much.

                          "A joyous heart sours with the burden of expectation"
                          Hepster

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                            redrum Admin @Hepps
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                            @hepps That's correct. Its only used by sea transports.

                            TripleA Developer with a Passion for AI: https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/105/ai-development-discussion-and-feedback

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                              beelee @redrum
                              last edited by beelee

                              @redrum thanks guys. I'm gonna go through it all again and see what made it change.

                              POS had: <option name="canInvadeOnlyFrom" value="transport:jp_transport:air_transport:super_carrier.." so thought maybe it did.

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                                Hepps Moderators @beelee
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                                @beelee Perhaps it can... perhaps I have simply not looked deeply enough into the feature.

                                "A joyous heart sours with the burden of expectation"
                                Hepster

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                                  redrum Admin @beelee
                                  last edited by

                                  @beelee super_carrier has transport capacity. Its essentially both a carrier and transport.

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                                    Hepps Moderators @beelee
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                                    @beelee the other thing to bear in mind... is that whatever restrictions you add to a unit are universal.

                                    So if your Elite is set with this property... it affects it across all transport methods.

                                    You cannot pick and choose to use this and have it only apply to a paratrooper while paratrooping. the restriction would be imposed as well for the units behavior on sea transports.

                                    "A joyous heart sours with the burden of expectation"
                                    Hepster

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                                      beelee @Hepps
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                                      @hepps right on I've got them on "all" although that's what it defaults too so don't really need it but yea I get what you're saying.

                                      @redrum yea I can see that. It was the " air transport" one that had me thinking it might. I'll get back at it

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                                        beelee @beelee
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                                        @beelee well I think I got it sorted. The first attack was over land from India and the second was over water from Germany to Scotland. So The water was what made it not able to retreat, "canInvadeOnly.." didn't have anything to do with it.

                                        I thought the original paratroopers weren't allowed to retreat at all. Which kinda makes sense but at the same time I guess i could see it if they're next to a friendly TT. Actually I forgot to try Goin Deep. I'll be right back.

                                        Yea so you can only retreat if you came from an adjacent friendly TT. Probably if other troops attack from a different one would work too. Didn't test that.

                                        Anyway think I'm back to forward progress again. Thanks again @Hepps @prastle @redrum . Nice work on the icon images. One more thing to learn how to use : )

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                                          General_Zod Moderators @beelee
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                                          @beelee Not being able to retreat a para into a sea zone, from which it came from makes sense. These things are not so obvious at first.

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                                            beelee @General_Zod
                                            last edited by beelee

                                            @general_zod said in Air Transports:

                                            @beelee Not being able to retreat a para into a sea zone, from which it came from makes sense. These things are not so obvious at first.

                                            well that does make sense general. I was under the impression that the original paratroopers tech didn't allow any retreat. I could be wrong on that though but that kinda makes sense too. To me anyway : )

                                            The way it's currently setup seems ok but paratroopers took a lot higher casualties than regular infantry. So if regular troops attack along with the paras, one could use the GI's as fodder and retreat the Paras. That doesn't seem quite right to me.

                                            As always would be nice to have an option : ) Happy I know how it works : ) Got other issues now : )

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