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    • FrostionF Offline
      Frostion Admin
      last edited by

      Let me just throw in new proposals:

      I have used @Hepps mockup and redrums screenshots as basis for these.
      I think the added arrow really help explain what info is being displayed, plus it is an eye catcher.
      I removed the blue, as the dash number is in essence a part of the same number in front of it.
      Lastly I removed the ( and ) as it seems redundant.

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      Thoughts?

      Map maker of: Star Wars: Galactic War + Star Wars: Tatooine War + Caribbean Trade War + Dragon War + Age of Tribes + Star Trek: Dilithium War + Iron War + Iron War: Europe + Warcraft: War Heroes

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      • HeppsH Offline
        Hepps Moderators @Frostion
        last edited by

        @frostion I do like the arrow since as you say it keeps things consisent as far as icons. Also really like the numbers for movement the same colour. The yellow version is with the darker background would have to be my favorite.

        "A joyous heart sours with the burden of expectation"
        Hepster

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        • redrumR Offline
          redrum Admin @Frostion
          last edited by

          @frostion So for the initial iteration I'm going to leave as is but interesting suggestions. Thoughts:

          1. I'm kind of neutral on parens vs no parens.
          2. The red doesn't show up very well on the darker gray background but the yellow looks nice.
          3. I'd probably make the green a bit darker but like how the light gray example looks. The challenge would be that if you have a move beyond max movement and it only shows the green number that would seem to contradict the red X you get as green tends to indicate "go"/"success".

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          • redrumR Offline
            redrum Admin
            last edited by

            The latest changes have been merged and can be tested in the following pre-release: https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/releases/tag/1.9.0.0.9464

            TripleA Developer with a Passion for AI: https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/105/ai-development-discussion-and-feedback

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            • redrumR Offline
              redrum Admin
              last edited by

              So on to fuel flat costs... Here is an example of what I'm proposing for the new XML parameter (fuelFlatCost):

              	<attachment name="unitAttachment" attachTo="fighter" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.UnitAttachment" type="unitType">
              		<option name="movement" value="4"/>
              		<option name="carrierCost" value="1"/>
              		<option name="isAir" value="true"/>
              		<option name="attack" value="3"/>
              		<option name="defense" value="4"/>
                              <option name="fuelcost" value="oil" count="1"/>
              		<option name="fuelFlatCost" value="oil" count="2"/>
                              <option name="fuelFlatCost" value="pilots" count="1"/>	
              	</attachment>
              

              This would mean a fighter pays 2 oil & 1 pilot if it moves at all plus 1 oil per each move. So if it moved a total of 3 then it would pay 5 oil and 1 pilot. The goal is to have both the existing per move fuel cost (fuelCost) and the new fuel flat cost (fuelFlatCost) work for all unit types and be able to be used in any combination.

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              • prastleP Offline
                prastle Moderators Admin @redrum
                last edited by

                @redrum are oil reserves being added for future maps 🙂

                If we open a quarrel between past and present, we shall find that we have lost the future! Sir Winston Churchill

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                • prastleP Offline
                  prastle Moderators Admin @redrum
                  last edited by

                  @redrum storage tanks that can be bombed?
                  smells a Heppster in this scenario

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                  • redrumR Offline
                    redrum Admin @prastle
                    last edited by redrum

                    @prastle I sure hope so. Otherwise I'm adding features just for the fun of it 🙂

                    Actually I believe you could probably do some kind of bombing where when a structure is destroyed, you trigger loss of resources.

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                    • prastleP Offline
                      prastle Moderators Admin @redrum
                      last edited by

                      @redrum your both evil bastards

                      If we open a quarrel between past and present, we shall find that we have lost the future! Sir Winston Churchill

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                      • HeppsH Offline
                        Hepps Moderators @prastle
                        last edited by

                        @redrum Looks great! Adding all these features just for the fun of it. What a champ! 😉

                        "A joyous heart sours with the burden of expectation"
                        Hepster

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                        • prastleP Offline
                          prastle Moderators Admin @Hepps
                          last edited by prastle

                          @hepps @redrum you both realize I EXPECT POS2 @ UPDATES and this will make GD a very rough map
                          sigh

                          If we open a quarrel between past and present, we shall find that we have lost the future! Sir Winston Churchill

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                          • prastleP Offline
                            prastle Moderators Admin @prastle
                            last edited by

                            @hepps its almost like you want all to ignore unless Tylenol scripts

                            If we open a quarrel between past and present, we shall find that we have lost the future! Sir Winston Churchill

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                            • redrumR Offline
                              redrum Admin @prastle
                              last edited by

                              @prastle Did you just volunteer to update POS2 XML?

                              TripleA Developer with a Passion for AI: https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/105/ai-development-discussion-and-feedback

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                              • prastleP Offline
                                prastle Moderators Admin @redrum
                                last edited by

                                @redrum NOPE! but with all your additions I really hope you did 🙂

                                If we open a quarrel between past and present, we shall find that we have lost the future! Sir Winston Churchill

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                                • redrumR Offline
                                  redrum Admin
                                  last edited by

                                  Here is the PR adding the "fuelFlatCost" unit option: https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/pull/3244

                                  XML

                                      <attachment name="unitAttachment" attachTo="elite_cavalry" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attachments.UnitAttachment" type="unitType">
                                        <option name="consumesUnits" value="1:cavalry"/>
                                        <option name="movement" value="2"/>
                                        <option name="transportCost" value="3"/>
                                        <option name="canBlitz" value="true"/>
                                        <option name="requiresUnits" value="parade_ground"/>
                                        <option name="requiresUnits" value="general"/>
                                        <option name="createsResourcesList" value="-4:Supplies"/>
                                        <option name="fuelCost" value="Supplies" count="1"/>
                                        <option name="fuelFlatCost" value="Supplies" count="2"/>
                                        <option name="fuelFlatCost" value="Industry" count="1"/>
                                        <option name="canInvadeOnlyFrom" value="transport:train"/>
                                        <option name="createsResourcesList" value="-1:Manpower"/>
                                        <option name="attack" value="4"/>
                                        <option name="defense" value="3"/>
                                      </attachment>
                                  

                                  Before
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                                  After
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                                  • prastleP Offline
                                    prastle Moderators Admin @redrum
                                    last edited by

                                    @redrum and you questioned why I said you were brilliant?

                                    If we open a quarrel between past and present, we shall find that we have lost the future! Sir Winston Churchill

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                                    • FrostionF Offline
                                      Frostion Admin
                                      last edited by

                                      Nice update. I still hope that you would reconsider removing the ( and the ) signs. They just make the movement bar unnecessarily long, and not having them would be more consistent with how icons and numbers are displayed elsewhere.

                                      I think that I will have to start work on Iron War and Iron War Europe movement fuel versions. Hopefully balanced versions of these can be ready alongside a new engine release ☺ Jubii! And they can make use of the hide resources from players feature!

                                      Map maker of: Star Wars: Galactic War + Star Wars: Tatooine War + Caribbean Trade War + Dragon War + Age of Tribes + Star Trek: Dilithium War + Iron War + Iron War: Europe + Warcraft: War Heroes

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                                      • redrumR Offline
                                        redrum Admin @Frostion
                                        last edited by

                                        @frostion Yeah, I think you already saw but I updated the route message in the other forum thread already 🙂

                                        And yeah, I definitely think Iron War can benefit from a lot of the recently added features. And could be the first map to ever implement fuel in a balanced and user friendly way!

                                        TripleA Developer with a Passion for AI: https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/105/ai-development-discussion-and-feedback

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                                        • redrumR Offline
                                          redrum Admin
                                          last edited by redrum

                                          Thoughts on how carriers and fighters fuel costs should work? I think I see 2 options:

                                          1. Simple - If carriers and fighters are moved together during combat or non-combat move then only the carrier is charged fuel. This would include moving into combat and so a fighter moved with a carrier into combat wouldn't be charged fuelCost or fuelFlatCost.
                                          2. Noncombat Only - If carriers and fighters are moved together during non-combat move then only the carrier is charged fuel. Any moves during combat move are considered that the fighter has taken off from the initial carrier position so is always charged fuel during all combat moves.

                                          There are other more complex variations of these that meet somewhere in the middle but I'm pretty hesitant to go there. Open to suggestions and ideas but want to pick something we feel works well across all maps and is fun/intuitive to use.

                                          TripleA Developer with a Passion for AI: https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/105/ai-development-discussion-and-feedback

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                                          • FrostionF Offline
                                            Frostion Admin
                                            last edited by

                                            1. Simple has my vote. It seems logical and during game it would make sense if fuel was consumed on these terms. People would also see the carrier actually carrying fighters, not just acting as a landing strip at sea.

                                            Map maker of: Star Wars: Galactic War + Star Wars: Tatooine War + Caribbean Trade War + Dragon War + Age of Tribes + Star Trek: Dilithium War + Iron War + Iron War: Europe + Warcraft: War Heroes

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