Dyeing/Colorizing Unit Images
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@Cernel Yes, Feudal Japan is a good example where units are truly monocolor and the same minus colorization across all players so would be a good candidate for this.
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@redrum Was that thing of making the new political notifications different from targets and others ever implemented in Feudal Japan? If not, is it available at the engine level? I'm thinking Feudal Japan may have a number of tweaks on hold, and we could push them all at the same time on a new version. I would also much benefit from upping the starting castles in each capital to 3, for gameplay purposes (I always edit that, when I play the game).
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@Cernel Do you mean this change: https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/issues/3558
I'm focusing first on just implementing the change in the engine and will document it in POS2. But we can discuss updating Feudal Japan if you want but probably better to create a separate thread if you do.
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@redrum Yeah. Has that been added to Feudal Japan. If not, is that currently supported by the program (so we can add it to Feudal Japan).
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@Cernel It is supported in TripleA and I added an example to POS2: https://github.com/triplea-maps/the_pact_of_steel/pull/20/files. I don't believe Feudal Japan was ever updated to use it.
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Just to mention, two more really great uses for this:
- help people that are colorblind. If the unit colors look similar, an option to adjust per-country hue so they can be visible would be excellent. Flags would help this, I'm sure using colors that look physically different would be even better.
- building on maps that have many nations. If for example someone wanted to mod a map that has many nations, like NWO, or anything with 10 nations+, adding a new unit is a bit of a nightmare. You have to use color-picker very well to match the existing hue and it's hard to say if the new units will still look cohesive. For example, add cavalry and heavy cavalry, that is perhaps 20 units images and for each you need to do a really great match of existing hue for it not to look just hacked on.
@Cernel I suspect the usage of this feature would be opt-in per map, or could be used as a fallback when unit images are missing. It wouldn't be the case that we'd go through all existing maps an delete units images to leave just the auto-colorized ones.
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In the moment a unit that is in a units subfolder (a folder inside "units" having a player's name) can be used only by 1 player, I really feel it is making little sense to colorize it in any ways, as the unit can be, or rather should, be just already made as it is supposed to look. So, on the "fallback" matter, I think it would be better to apply any of this recolourization only on the units directly inside the units folder (shared by all players not having them in their subfolders), but possibly with the ability to define in map.properties units that must not be recolourized, but never on units inside any units subfolders.
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@Cernel The issue with that is it limits players being able to change unit colors (see color blind example above). So I think its better to colorize all of a nations units unless they are in the exemption list. This makes the feature more useful to existing maps.
You can also imagine modding an existing map where you want to create say a new Axis and a new Allies player. Each side has unique images so you want to copy say all germany's units to the new Axis player then colorize them and copy all UK's units to new Allies player and colorize. This would make it so you want the units in the nations folder not in the units folder directly.
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@redrum Ok, well, if by that you mean that there would be a user option to change units colours while you play, that would give some reasons about recolourizing an already coloured unit used by only one player. I was not considering that, as I assumed that was just a proposal. However, I would not advise giving players the ability to recolourize units colours, at least at the present state. Almost no one plays Feudal Japan, and even if you are playing something like Revised, that is not really good, as it would be unpolished to monocolourize multicolour images, like aa radars and damaged battleships (I know, these are rather small details, but still unpolished).
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@redrum said in Dyeing/Colorizing Unit Images:
You can also imagine modding an existing map where you want to create say a new Axis and a new Allies player. Each side has unique images so you want to copy say all germany's units to the new Axis player then colorize them and copy all UK's units to new Allies player and colorize. This would make it so you want the units in the nations folder not in the units folder directly.
It is really not hard to learn to colourize images with a program like GIMP. Also you can find addons for GIMP that allow you to easily recolourize a whole batch of units in a folder. So, in this case, what the mapmaker needs to do is just pasting the folder it wants, then running a batch recolourization of all, or some, of the images inside it.
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@Cernel For now, it would probably be just like nation territory ownership colors where users can edit the map.properties to override the defaults but it could potentially be added as an in-game option eventually. While it might look a bit unpolished for people the are color blind or maps with many nations, being able to see the units is probably more important then them being perfect.
Given the history of map makers and many of the existing maps we have, people must find it harder than you think to colorize images as we have lots of maps with units that don't match well or appear to be hacked up. Even look at Dom 1914 NML, where I took a recent pass to clean some of it up but before that it was kind of a disaster and that's a relatively popular map. Some of this feature is to help novice map makers, but its also to give players flexibility to override unit color defaults in map.properties.
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@redrum I dunno. It just feels not sensible to me that you have a bunch of colourized units that are used only by one player and you also have a (mapmaker/powerusers only) setting that recolourize those already colourized units for that one same player, while you could open a graphic program and imput those same settings there, to get the units right. I don't know if maybe it would be feasible and sensible adding a mapmaking utility for recolourizing units, with the ability to select them specifically or a whole folder (I would still use GIMP). That could stay beside the utility for making the smallMap, I guess.
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@redrum I'm not really suggesting this, as it might be too much, but it would be also possible to have an alliance subfolder in units. So, for example, the program would look for the unit in "Germans", if not there it will look for the unit in "Axis", if not there it will look for the unit in the units folder, if not there will repeat the above while looking at the program's assets. This would work in a definitive way for the game currently, as there is no way to trigger changes to the alliances during the game (something that it may be good to have).
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@Cernel I considered that as well but didn't think it was worth adding this go around (maybe a phase 2). If lots of people start putting units directly in the units folder to share and there is a lot of interest in having alliance folders to share units just across an alliance then we should be able to add it in later on.
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@redrum In the TripleA assets, all those units that are the same for all players should probably be moved in main folder. I might eventually post a new zip of the assets remanaged that way, after the stable is out. That should probably be at least 100 units less. It's actually kinda amazing that this possibility has never existed so far, and we instead kept adding the same factory etc. in every single folder.
Another thing I tried in the past, but didn't work, is to have aliases for all those images that are the same for all or a number of players, but I tested TripleA was not seeing them. Not asking for this addition, as I'm not sure how good would it be now, as being able to share for all is probably the main item.
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@LaFayette said in Dyeing/Colorizing Unit Images:
Just to mention, two more really great uses for this:
- help people that are colorblind. If the unit colors look similar, an option to adjust per-country hue so they can be visible would be excellent. Flags would help this, I'm sure using colors that look physically different would be even better.
- building on maps that have many nations. If for example someone wanted to mod a map that has many nations, like NWO, or anything with 10 nations+, adding a new unit is a bit of a nightmare. You have to use color-picker very well to match the existing hue and it's hard to say if the new units will still look cohesive. For example, add cavalry and heavy cavalry, that is perhaps 20 units images and for each you need to do a really great match of existing hue for it not to look just hacked on.
@Cernel I suspect the usage of this feature would be opt-in per map, or could be used as a fallback when unit images are missing. It wouldn't be the case that we'd go through all existing maps an delete units images to leave just the auto-colorized ones.
This would I think end up being the primary use of the feature. If it helps map makers in the process that's great, but I saw it as something that the average end user would find useful, either as a visual aid (if they are colorblind or are having difficulty distinguishing units for whatever reason) or just purely based on aesthetic preference. Maybe someone wants to sub out purple units for some other color, using this system you could do it on the fly. Currently its very easy to modify a nation's territory color via hex code in the map properties file, but if you wanted to change the associated units, that is more laborious and requires an outside image editing application like Gimp or PS. This might be easy for a map maker, but rather more involved for the average user.
Instead of trying to arbitrate people's individual tastes by coming up with a default unit set that everyone must adopt, this gives players the freedom to color the map/units in a way that suites their personal preferences, without requiring much legwork or stepping on anyone else's toes while you're at it, since it'd basically be a local setting.
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@redrum was wondering if it would be possible to flip the colored unit by 180 degrees so that they would face in different directions? ie… Axis would face left and Allies would face right.
Cheers...
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@wc_sumpton gd idea
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@wc_sumpton Yeah, I was thinking about that too, when I considered sides only subfolders. Tho, theorically, if you can flip left-right you should also be able to flip up-down. I know it's very rare, but TripleA supports both X and Y wrapping.
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@wc_sumpton Not a bad idea and I don't think it would be too difficult. Though starting to get beyond what I had originally intended
I'll try to take a look at it and if it doesn't get included in this initial update then can always consider it in the future.
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