Taking your suggestions for a new UI
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@general_zod Agree the prospect of finally giving the in-game interface a face lift really puts a cucumber in my pants...
Is it obvious I might have had some materials ready to go for that at the mere mention of it?
"A joyous heart sours with the burden of expectation"
Hepster -
@hepps lol, it's a wet dream come true.
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@hepps First impression is that there is too much distracting detail / looks a bit messy. I would maybe try to blur / darken the main menu background behind the player selection window. If that's not enough, remove the icon and the "D.S.S. Form 6" (whatever that is supposed to mean). The visual style is awesome though.
"For the world is changing: I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air."
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@hepps Hmm. And here I always thought all Canadians dreamed about Celine Dion not Jessica Biel... Though she's probably also the only famous Canadian I know. She's also a bit more in your age range though that might be less than optimal for carrying children...
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@redrum Thus the request for 100 tries.
"A joyous heart sours with the burden of expectation"
Hepster -
@alkexr I wonder how much effect the "look and feel" will provide ? I know you can change it quite a bit right now. Maybe have some different camo colors or something ?
I like the way this site does it. I go with the "Darkly" as I don't like it too bright : )
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@hepps Oh and my dislike of the resource bar is more on how I've seen maps potentially use fuel. If its something that you have a set amount per turn then I think a bar makes sense (I believe this is actually what Frostion ended up doing in Iron Wars). He essentially zeroes out any extra and you spend whatever you produce each turn. But most other maps have used it where you can stockpile and having a resource bar then doesn't really make sense to me as you don't have an "amount per turn".
TripleA Developer with a Passion for AI: https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/105/ai-development-discussion-and-feedback
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The sad part about all of this is how long this is going to take to implement
While the image is done "relatively quickly" I need to consider much more things when trying to re-create the design in actual code/FXML to keep the layout adaptable to different screen sizes and actually clickable, not to mention all the internal wiring of the code.
A nice UI that doesn't do anything is not that great either ^^
Anyways I appreciate the discussion here about how the UI should look like i.e. what exact components it should have in its final state, this takes off the burden from me to be responsible to make good UI decisions ^^ -
@roiex Now you have enough material for like a year worth of development already
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@redrum Definitely seems like it ^^
But it's easier to re-create a pre-existent template than coming up with a template on your own and then creating it -
@roiex Well not to worry... you say your bored... I can keep you occupied for decades.
"A joyous heart sours with the burden of expectation"
Hepster -
@hepps gigglez
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@hepps said in Taking your suggestions for a new UI:
@roiex Well not to worry... you say your bored... I can keep you occupied for decades.
lol I can already thank you for a few years I'm sure : )
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@alkexr I Added the D.S.S. just for some flavour... it is...
I was trying to bring som WWII flare to the design since it is the bread and butter of our community. The form is a nod to some of the real forms used during WWII.
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@redrum said in Taking your suggestions for a new UI:
@hepps Oh and my dislike of the resource bar is more on how I've seen maps potentially use fuel. If its something that you have a set amount per turn then I think a bar makes sense (I believe this is actually what Frostion ended up doing in Iron Wars). He essentially zeroes out any extra and you spend whatever you produce each turn. But most other maps have used it where you can stockpile and having a resource bar then doesn't really make sense to me as you don't have an "amount per turn".
Yes which builds on my point that of the few maps we have... few legitimate attempts have been made to integrate it properly or do any significant testing and change the set up.
A bar could work well with the right amount of leg work done.
If forecast the starting reserves.... do some math on potential production capacities and expenditures... then you can create a scale that works for the individual map.
If the map properties file allowed the map maker to define the total scale of the bar... (ie. 200 is the max.) and then be able to set the increments (25).
map.useConsumableresource=True
map.ConsumableTotal=200
map.consumableIncrement=25I this would achieve a really beneficial system. If I have a surplus beyond what has been deemed more then the high end need within a game then I would not need to worry.... the bar would be at max anyway. But if I am in the middle of a campaign and I need to see where I am at while I move... the bar would allow me much better control and visualizing while I doing my moves.
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I agree real time tracking of some type is probably the biggest missing element when it comes to fuel. At a very minimum it should be displayed in real time in the current economy tab.
But if we are really considering the re-design in game interface, why not give it a designated space somewhere even if its only a single number. Although the meter has it's appeal too.
I would prefer the territory tab use most of the space in at bottom of display since we need a lot of space to display units without making it hard on the eyes. Also all the pertinent territory information must be listed there. Basically everything else should accommodate that space and work around it.
One more suggestion, functionality and player ergonomics should take priority in the design and aesthetics secondary. But if you can do both, great!
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I'm disappointed iron war has been changed, I'm trying to check out how it tracked fuel in original version.
Did it track fuel in real time or end of turn? Ah, I think remember now. The difficulties were in counting incoming fuel vs expenditures. Since incoming fuel updated at end of turn.
Just a last point on fuel thoughts, stockpiling of fuel is really the way the fuel should be handled if you want historically accuracy.
Axis Germany had to stockpile their fuel for a few years in order to launch ww2, and the field marshals knew they must take oilfields in process of war, to have realistic chance of success. Romania, Caucasus and middle east primarily. And the supplement with increased synthetic oil production in Germany, France and Poland since one of the processes relied on coal.
Italy was dead weight for Germany as fuel supplies went. Italy could just barely maneuver its own navy. Let alone supply North Africa campaign.
Japanese had tremendous shortage of fuel too. Until they conquered Sumatra, Java, and Borneo. But American submarines devastated their supply lines.
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Have a self block option. 4,8,12 hr or w/e amount u want. More of a "not say stupid things" as opposed to Po'd. Actually the two are somewhat related. : )
It's mostly the "stupid thing" for me. : )
heppster could make a good button for it I'm sure : )
No dis on you hepps. Skill acknowledgement only : )
See I could use that button right now : )
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I don't know if this has been suggested and/or discussed; but I think that the way battle is conducted needs to be changed.
I just started my first Play-by-Forum game and I can see it's going to take forever (except I'll probably concede here shortly).
Anyway, my suggestion is to limit the battle(s) to one round (each): You move in; attack; you choose what you hit; and then you choose whether to stay or withdraw.
Perhaps add some rules to this (and I have yet to think this all the way through, so I'm not sure exactly what those rules should be; but) such as attacking and withdrawing in the same round would be a "Raid" and there should be a limit on what units are allowed to "raid". If you include units which are not allowed to "raid" then you must remain until the next round.
As I suggested: in that attack you choose which units you hit and the computer randomly chooses which units you lose (if any).
If you remain: you're opponent now has the option to counter attack; simply remain to defend again next round; and/or withdraw any/all units. Counter attacking is not a raid and any units can be used in the counter attack. This time the (defending) Counter Attacker chooses which units he/she hits and the computer randomly chooses which of his/her units are lost. Units with only a single movement point cannot counter attack and withdraw too.
Needless to say, if the counter attacker remains the (original) attacker now becomes the counter-counter attacker... So on and so forth.
I truly believe that the game should've been done this way from the "get go"; but that's just my opinion.
I imagine that if armor/tanks are used then it's not a "raid". If more than a certain number of units are used then it's not a raid, etc.
Think on it. Discuss it and go from there.
It would definitely shorten the time it takes to resolve a battle and makes more sense (In my opinion). You don't have multiple research rounds, or any other multiple rounds. Why are there multiple combat rounds?
Anyway, the concept kept me awake; so I've posted it. I suppose it's more of a game change request than a User Interface one: but the UI would need to be designed with such a change in mind.
I hate to say this; but the UI should actually be more like that of Medieval II Total War; but then it wouldn't be TripleA it'd be TW.
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@stohrm Yeah PBEM is for people who love the game but are not available to play live. But it's can be rough on the typical lobby gamer, since it requires a lot of patience.
There are some games that limit combat rounds, eg. "Age Of Tribes". It allows the player to choose between 1 and 5 combat rounds for land and naval combat (air is possible too). This can result in contested territories too. There are some pros and cons, to that aspect to consider.
To my knowledge those setting are not unit specific, so if you set it for land combat rounds = 2. Then all land units can battle up to 2 rounds max.
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