Main Screen Logo Needed

[LaFayette]

@ubernaut looks like it is on page 1

@MirkoBruner , would you be able to provide the bottom title as its own image with transparent background? https://forums.triplea-game.org/assets/uploads/files/1605039123046-logo_type_combination.jpg

With and without the sub-title would be helpful. I think the one without subtitle would be great for the website. I'm tempted to try and incorporate the one with subtitle into the game.

[MirkoBruner]

@lafayette Sure shot. Anywhere I can drop it? Email?
Regards,

[ubernaut]

@lafayette um are we going to have a vote on this? because i really not a fan of that treatment. no offense @MirkoBruner but for the reasons i stated before which received no counter-argument i do not think we should be moving away from the existing basic branding.

[butterw]

Path of Assets

@ubernaut Having a vote wouldn't be the silliest thing.

I would add that just like for the flags used in maps, modding the program logo/icons is something anyone can do without the need for programming skills (output should be png).

The main logo is:
TripleA/assets/launch_screens/triplea-logo.png
it has transparent background and a resolution of 211x152 (this isn't a requirement though)

The window icon currently used is:
org/triplea/swing/ta_icon.png (32x32)

For the Windows desktop and taskbar icons you need a .ico file with multiple resolutions (16x16, 32x32, 48x48, 256x256 in 32bit).

[LaFayette]

As nice as a vote sounds, it's impractical due to time constraints and the delay to get a meaningful vote tally. Feedback is listened to and welcome, just needs to be constructive and somewhat timely.

@ubernaut what are your specific objections regarding using an updated website title?

[ubernaut]

@lafayette well i think we need to rely on consensus here no one person should be dictating the way forward for this project. not sure why we couldn't just make a poll post give it a week or two to see the results. i think the people who care most would almost be able to cast a vote in that time. i also think we could even give it more time seeing as our releases arent that frequent and we are really only talking about one asset/placement in this case as far as i know.

in regards to the "updated website title" you'll have to point to where that was brought up. not even sure what that means exactly. i thought we were just talking about the start-up screen.

[beelee]

why vote when you can just dictate instead ?

[MirkoBruner]

@lafayette said in Main Screen Logo Needed:

vide the bottom title as its own image with transparent background? https://forums.triplea-game.org/assets/uploads/files/1605039123046-logo_type_combination.jpg

[LaFayette]

@ubernaut "i also think we could even give it more time seeing as our releases "

It's not about time between releases but more "I have time to work on this in the next 3 days, and then after probably not." Getting responses 3 months later just is not workable.

I'm just saying the people that are really concerned are already on this thread and should provide their feedback. If we want to do a poll that is for a couple of days, fine. Will everyone get a chance to give 100% feedback, probably not, and I don't want that open for months on end. Hopefully that makes sense in combination that such feedback needs to align with the available capacity to actually do the work.

[ubernaut]

@lafayette my suggestion is that we provide a poll regardless of the amount of time available since the swapping of that graphical element is a rather minor change technically.

there was a discussion on the merits of altering our brand but the discussion ended after i made my case.

even if we only get 5 votes on a 24-hour poll, which i would assume the low end of the expected range, it would better represent a community decision than one person at the top imposing their authority. the folks that did vote would obviously represent those most involved.

i suggest that we just make a post with the two alternatives @MirkoBruner and i can restate our cases there as concise replies and let the community decide whatever time limit you feel fits with your schedule. i do appreciate the fact that you represent our entire development resource pool at the moment.

also still not sure what "the updated website title" is in reference to exactly i'm not sure i ever expressed any opinion on that one.

[LaFayette]

@ubernaut open a thread, make it so.

[ubernaut]

@lafayette ok so start the post with just the start screen with both my and @MirkoBruner submissions then present my case first as a reply unless you prefer to go first @MirkoBruner .

i hope you understand this is not personal for me @MirkoBruner you obviously are a skilled designer, i do like your style i just don't agree that your treatment is an improvement over the existing thing.

[MirkoBruner]

@ubernaut Let the community decide isn't always the best choice to do.
If you want to make a poll, you must add all the alternative I have submitted and not only the two posted here.

[MirkoBruner]

@ubernaut It is not personal but seems really personal. So many words wasted but mostly so much time wasted.
If my designs (again all of them, not only those two) don't improve anything over the existing things, yours take it back in time.

You criticise without reason (i told you this already many months ago), it is just your personal taste. Should not be working like that. You should be able to state the whys the hows and what to do. Otherwise anyone can say anything about everything and this platform is useless.
Again, it doesn't work like that, the equation my design opinion weighs the same as the one of a plumber (on a logo matter) is a no no.

You simply don't like that nobody mentioned your designs. That's it.
And please, stop adding the smiley faces at the end of every critic you do. It is really not necessary.

Regards,

[ubernaut]

@mirkobruner said in Main Screen Logo Needed:

You criticise without reason (i told you this already many months ago), it is just your personal taste. Should not be working like that. You should be able to state the whys the hows and what to do.

um i stated my case after you made these statements before and gave my reasons you never responded here:

https://forums.triplea-game.org/post/44365

at no point do i reference my taste there but did refute the issues you raised in earlier posts to this thread

Again, it doesn't work like that, the equation my design opinion weighs the same as the one of a plumber (on a logo matter) is a no no.

talk about getting personal without reason, i have made a living a designer for over 20 years now but please go on about how things should work.

You simply don't like that nobody mentioned your designs. That's it.

so far the only ones expressing their opinions on this subject are you, me, Lafayette and @butterw who has expressed the exact sentiments i had and also received no counterargument here:

https://forums.triplea-game.org/post/50399

again this is not personal i add smilies because tone are often difficult to express in a text-only format.

If my designs (again all of them, not only those two)

your logo treatments are all basically the same the only difference i see is that you are providing an option with and without a separate 't' and then with and without the circle backing even though i disagree that all of these should be considered rather than picking one you think is the best of your designs i will include your entire set of logo alternatives in my post.

Let the community decide isn't always the best choice to do.

this is how open source projects work there is no better way to decide when there are differing opinions. i will accept the verdict of the community i hope you would as well.

[ubernaut]

this is my proposed post. currently, i cant create a poll tho:

Post Title: Proposed Branding Change for TipleA Your Vote is Needed!

Post Content: there has been a discussion here about the home screen getting a visual upgrade:

https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/2312/main-screen-logo-needed/

the discussion has turned into a discussion about the logo/icon for this app. the question is if we should change to one of several alternatives provided by @MirkoBruner :

or stick with the version i did a number of years ago based on our original low res icon/logo

for reference and the folks that haven't been around long enough to remember the original it is this:

since we need a consensus here to move forward we would appreciate all of your replies and votes here.

Tanks!

[ubernaut]

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[MirkoBruner]

@ubernaut said in Main Screen Logo Needed:

since

So far consensus (organised by you the moderator) has been? 4 votes? Oh no 3 if we exclude yours. Is this serious?

[ubernaut]

@mirkobruner your paranoid conspiracy theory is baseless i have not organized anything and you're suggesting i should not get a vote?

i have tried to be welcoming and positive and stick strictly to the facts in our discussions about this topic as i know that people can be touchy when it comes to critique but honestly dude the way you keep trying to drag this discussion into the mud you are basically on my last nerve personally.

to borrow a phrase from you, maybe…

You simply don't like that nobody mentioned your designs. That's it.

[LaFayette]

@MirkoBruner , @ubernaut , please start working together and stop reading negative tone into everything the other says. Ya'll have built a house of cards here from a faulty basis. If you re-read from the start what the others have said, it's a bit clear that ya'll have been touchy and it got out of control from there. You both please need to be able to deliver more moderated constructive criticism and productive conversation for this to be net constructive. I don't want two talented designers fighting with each other and impeding your efforts and the efforts of others - it's not good for you, it's not good for the project.