Axis and Allies Europe (1999) map in TripleA

RogerCooper

SBR escort/interceptor rules are incorrect
What is the specific issue?

Submarines rules are incorrect
What is the specific issue?

Middle East money is allocated to the British when it should not be (barring programing changes, this should just be disabled)
This cannot be easily changed. I am not sure what you mean by disabled.

Allied units in Russia automatically convert to Russian at the end of the player turn when they should not be (barring programing, this should just be disabled)
This can be fixed.

SBR damage is limited to the IPC value of the territory when it should be unlimited
This can be fixed easily

Why this interest in AAE strategy? The Germans have an easy win by building all infantry/artillery on the first 2 turns, all tanks on turns 3&4 and take Moscow on turn 6. The game is broken OOB.

The_Good_Captain

@zlefin If you've already installed it, its called "Europe - Alpha". If the map has not been installed, I think its just called "Europe" and its under the experimental tab. After its successfully downloaded there are two versions available to play, "Europe -Alpha" which is the one closest to out-of-box and "Europe - Alpha v3 Rules".

If you still can't find it, let me know and I will take photos and post here.

The_Good_Captain

@rogercooper

Answers to specific issues are posted in the link above, here it is again: https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/issues/9552

LaFayette

The bug report looks good. Thank you for submitting it. It might be some time before it is resolved, though it being detailed will help improve the odds it is fixed (maybe someone new will look for a new issue to pick up and would choose that).

The_Good_Captain

@lafayette many thanks. I will submit the Pacific bug report in the same fashion in a few days (it's similar with subs and SBRs). Thank you for your help.

The_Good_Captain

@RogerCooper @LaFayette many thanks to you dudes. I hear @RogerCooper gave Europe a tune up. I have thrown a donation into the hat for the work. Here is the Pacific bug report:

https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/issues/9584

I imagine this one will be a bit tougher. I have no illusions as to what can be done or by when. I am content with putting it in the hopper.

I have a much smaller/simpler bug report for Anniversary '41 and '42 as well as Classic coming next.

Your work is all very much appreciated.

RogerCooper

@the_good_captain There is some reluctance on the part of the moderators to load new material based upon boardgames to the github report so I am just posting here.Europe.zip

RogerCooper

@rogercooper And here Pacific_Beta.zip

RogerCooper

@rogercooper And the very imperfect port of Axis & Allies: 1914. world_war_i_1914.zip

The_Good_Captain

@rogercooper thanks! what's the best way to make these maps function via TripleA

Cernel

@rogercooper said in Axis and Allies Europe (1999) map in TripleA:

@the_good_captain There is some reluctance on the part of the moderators to load new material based upon boardgames to the github report so I am just posting here.Europe.zip

I doubt there can really be reluctance to update a map which is already available if you meant to change (fix) the map rather than adding an other one. Maybe there has been some misunderstanding.

Since the title of this topic seems to be generally about the map, I shall say that I find the existence of a Belorussia territory bordering (among others) all of Leningrad, Moscow and Stalingrad to be a very poor drawing choice, lowering the value of this map, on my opinion, so much that I'm surprised anyone likes it. In particular, I believe that possibly having the same units being able to "siege" both Leningrad and Stalingrad at the same time (!) is unacceptably degrading of strategic meaning for a map of this scope.

As a comparison, "World War II Europe 1940 2nd Edition" has 3 territories between Novgorod (Leningrad) and Volgograd (Stalingrad), though, in this map, you have 2 territories between Leningrad and Moscow and only 1 territory between Moscow and Stalingrad, whereas the distances between these cities are respectively 634km (Leningrad-Moscow) and 866km (Moscow-Stalingrad). In this case, distorting distances about twice over in favour of the northern part of the Soviet front is particularly absurd for a WW2 map, considering how much more important the south was.

Schulz

I have always though Belorussia and Ukraine should be divided and Germany need to get a Romanian factory.

RogerCooper

@cernel The AAE game has many problems, but it is fun to play Russia as a human with all other powers being AI. My objective was to come as close to the boardgame as possible. AAE40 is a better, Europe-only game.

@Schulz Your ideas are good. Make the mod.

@The_Good_Captain Download these files into C:\Users<Username>\triplea\downloadedMaps

The_Good_Captain

@rogercooper

this is the error I get when I open Europe Beta:

Failed to start game java.lang.IllegalStateException: Error in resource loading. Unable to load expected resource: polygons.txt, the error is that either we did not find the correct path to load. Check the resource loader to make sure the map zip or dir was added. Failing that, the path in this error message should be available relative to the map folder, or relative to the root of the map zip

Pacific opens. What were the changes you made to this one again?

Cernel

@schulz Although I'm not interested in modifying this map myself, this is an example of the main territory additions I would make.

The new circle would be Kuybyshev. I would have Moscow, Leningrad and Kuybyshev all being Russian capitals: you lose your capital only once you lose them all (so no consequences as long as you control at least one of them).

I wonder what @The_Good_Captain would think of these changes, as he's probably the only one in here who seriously played the game.

Schulz

@cernel 5 distance from Berlin to Moscow is too much I guss which is the same with Berlin-Stalingrad in your example.

I think keeping Berlin-Moscow distance 4 is better and more realistic.

Since British has no factory in N.Africa, I wish Russia has easier time to reinforce the Middle East (like it is in V341). Probably I would consider adding Baku factory, merge Iran-Iraq and Syria-Palestine-Trans Jordan.

Cernel

@schulz I agree that Stalingrad should be farther away from Berlin than Moscow is. I didn't consider this in the early draft I made.

beelee

@the_good_captain said in Axis and Allies Europe (1999) map in TripleA:

Failed to start game java.lang.IllegalStateException: Error in resource loading. Unable to load expected resource: polygons.txt, the error is that either we did not find the correct path to load. Check the resource loader to make sure the map zip or dir was added. Failing that, the path in this error message should be available relative to the map folder, or relative to the root of the map zip

I think this is a naming error but I can't remember for certain

Schulz

Do you think are sea territories fine? I've always though USA-France distance should be either 3 or 5 to calculate things easier.

Cernel

@schulz I think, in a map of this scope, it should be possible to reach western Europe in 1 turn but not to do back and forth. Hence, I think the current drawing is not too bad and I would set the movement of transports at 4 (so they can also go from USA to Germany in 1 turn). Anyways, I'd say sea units should at the very least move 3 spaces here.