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[Cernel]

@RogerCooper said:

@Cernel To me FFA (free-for-all), means everyone permanently at war with everyone. Some mods have relationships that can change in the course of the game, and can't be easily summarized as alliances.

Yah, what I was saying is that FFA is very ambiguous a term. Practically, it can mean one of 3 things, from the wider to the narrower interpretation.

1. A FFA is any game with 3 or more sides (either 3 or more players with only one player per side (so no actual sides) or 1 or more players per side).
2. A FFA is any game with 3 or more sides where every side is composed of only 1 player (so no actual sides).
3. A FFA is any game with 3 or more sides where every side is composed of only 1 player (so no actual sides) and every player is always at war with every other player.

Personally, I tend to understand it as definition 2, but I can totally see @rogercooper and other people understanding it as definition 3, as well as some other as definition 1.

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A FFA can be an amazing game, but it is very hard to make a very good FFA (especially with ever-growing TUV dynamics like basic TripleA).

[xxXEddieXxx]

@thedog
How is the sorting for Spaces supposed to work?
Currently it seems a little off to me. One Sort option shows 100 first and the other shows -99 ? Shouldn't the big maps come first in the second?

[TheDog]

@xxXEddieXxx
Try again the -99 are now 0-99 and this should be a logicial sort order.

[Cernel]

@xxXEddieXxx Noticed too but did not bother. Yah, the -99 goes after the 800+. Makes no sense

This can be easily solved by changing the "-99" to "099-".

However, then what to do when having 1000s? Would that go before 100s?

To reiterate, my suggestions then would be

099-
100s
200s
300s
400s
500s
600s
700s
800s
900s
1000s

or

001-100
101-200
201-300
301-400
401-500
501-600
601-700
701-800
801-900
901-1000
1001-2000

However, I now see the additional problem that 1000s would not go after 900s and 1001-2000 would not go after 901-1000.

Is there no way to define the up-down order? Is it forcibly dependent on alphabeta-numerical order left to right?

If there is not, then I guess something like this:

01 (99-)
02 (100s)
03 (200s)
04 (300s)
05 (400s)
06 (500s)
07 (600s)
08 (700s)
09 (800s)
10 (900s)
11 (1000s)

(Also, really no idea why wanting to have 800+ instead of going up to 1000s or having 1000+. I don't think there being few (8?) maps at 800+ is enough of a reason for not completing it up to the thousand but leaving it hanging unfinished at the 800 mark.)

[TheDog]

@ All
So I have settled on the current Spaces column values and its heading.

Using as few characters as possible to convey the intent of the numbers.

0-99, yes you will never have 0 spaces, but used for sorting the values
100s, 100-199 spaces, players can pick their favoured sized maps
etc
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800+, there has to be an upper limit and this is a reasonable limit, there are under 10 of these maps, also it avoids 1000s sorting problem.

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What do people think of the current FFAs, PVP, Solo column?
We could

• remove the column ?
• add to the values, like having maximum number of players listed ?
• remove it and add another column, if so what ?

A map like Another World, has 18 players, Shogun Advanced has 16 players as examples, some players want, some avoid these large player maps.

This could be folded into this hybrid/multi use column.
Most fields will be blank, as they will have say 10 or less players and is considered normal and so not worth recording.

Thoughts?