I need help about changing the engine of Triplea.

[redrum]

@Schulz Your image link doesn't seem to work. But there are no hard limits. Mostly just comes down to having enough memory allocated to TripleA. TWW is probably currently the most resource intensive map given its size and level of detail. This is probably the largest in terms of number of territories that I've seen: https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/699/terra-firma-1939. GD is also supposed to be very large: https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/95/global-dominance

[Schulz]

https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/images/b/bb/State_ID_map.png

Sea Zones aren't ready yet and definitely won't be complex like TWW.

[Hepps]

@Schulz Looks like an ambitious project.

Before you get too far the one thing I will ask is what scale you intend to draw this map at... because as of right now you are going to have some serious over-crowding issues based on the scale of what you posted.

There is an example of a 48 x 48 pixel unit next to your Europe... you can see that Europe is just going to be a jumble of units over lapping one another... potentially making the game unplayable.

Just a helpful FYI for you.

[Schulz]

I haven't though other detailed stuffs. Just I would like to extend the limits of zoom-in and zoom-out with decent sized units.

is that possible?

[CrazyG]

@Schulz
You need to make the map bigger

[Schulz]

Actually I will try to make a kind of different game by changing somethings (simultaneous rounds, fog of war etc) in the engine since I believe the current one isn't really fit for big maps. It is extremely time consuming.

Just wondering should I start to use the current engine for this project.

[redrum]

@Schulz I would recommend that you first create a much smaller map that has most of the features that you envision for your huge map. By doing that, you'll have a good understanding of what it takes to develop a map and what features don't exist in the engine that you'd like to add.

[Frostion]

@Schulz I hope that you will keep your spirit alive, and that you continue to really want to make a new map. Because making maps from scratch can take many months depending on how much time you have, and maybe also how much you maybe lose interest along the way.

You should expect a long and tiresome map base construction process, where you make the map's graphical backdrop and a black/white grid/territory border version of the same map. Best advice: Make backups of your stages of process along the way, so that you may return to a previous point and fix or improve stuff.

Then you build the file structure of the map and construct all the files, ultimately to the point where you can load the map in TripleA. So the initial complexity should be kept very simple. When the map loads, then the fun stuff begins, where you can determine the rules of the map and create the player conditions.

As @redrum I would also recommend you start out with a smaller and less ambitious project. After your first map is complete or nearing completion, you are sure to have acquired more skills, knowledge and also new ideas for how your map could have been better from start.

Maybe you have had another map idea, with another theme on your wish list? An idea that could be turned into your first map? Smaller in scale and that just used the currently available features and rules of TripleA?

[Schulz]

@redrum

Maybe it could be better codding fog of war and simultaneous rounds before creating a map. Since both of these features could work only in big map if its better I can try them for an available small map before starting to create the actual map.

Simultanous rounds and fog of war aren't only features that I would like to add. They are just the most important ones for me the other issues for me was lack of reversibilty, big stacks and dicey tech system. I was thinking solutions about them before starting to learn some stuffs about codding.

[Schulz]

@Frostion

Thank you for advices. I really can't give up simultaneous rounds and fog of war because without them games become stacky, predictable, time consuming and irreversible in big maps. I used to think another solutions but I did really fail to find more easy ways.

Only one way of simplfy the project could be using WaW map.

Also I am not sure how well could these idea works in WaW?

[CrazyG]

@Schulz said in I need help about changing the engine of Triplea.:

Thank you for advices. I really can't give up simultaneous rounds and fog of war because without them games become stacky, predictable, time consuming and irreversible in big maps

You are free to hold this opinion. However, in all of your threads discussing this problem, there have been several ideas posted to help address these issues.

[Schulz]

Is implementing manpower concept possible in the current engine similar like oil? I would like to implement it for my game. Every unit will have different manpower values and nations will gain it from their territories like Pus values.

[redrum]

@Schulz Yes, you can define any type of resource. You'll want to take a look at Civil War as it uses the concept of manpower and several other types of resources for upkeep, unit production, and unit movement.