Changed it back to 4 for now, until we agreed on something

What @Panther said. Also I'd like to point out that in order to play multiplayer in any shape or form all players have to use the same version to prevent errors

@wc_sumpton I see you are right. I said that this option could have been hacked in a number of ways, and it looks like it has already been. This mod starts as default with Russians having a series of movement restrictions, then clearing all them and setting the Type to disallowed before the "Combat" phase of the first Russians turn. Beside the fact that the "Classic: Iron Blitz 3rd Edition" mod is much redundant with respect to the fact that many of its options are already available in regular 3rd Edition, so I've doubts that this mod should even exist at all, instead of just the 3rd Edition having all the "Iron Blitz" options available (and, if it should, then it should be part of the World War II Classic map itself, which it isn't featuring it), this (the fact that the "Iron Blitz" mod is, apparently, the only one offering the "Russia Restricted" option) doesn't make any actual sense, as the Russia Restricted option is actually supposed to be an option for all Classic games since the 2nd Edition (so nothing specifically to do with any "Iron Blitz" related modding). CC: @redrum @LaFayette @RoiEX @Panther for the incongruencies I'm pointing out. EDIT: I also see that the "Classic: Iron Blitz 3rd Edition" mod is forcing you to play with the additional "marine" and "destroyer" units. @wc_sumpton Since I cannot see a way not to have such units (is there any?), with also the added wierdness that you have an option called "Use Destroyers and Artillery", while "destroyer" is already in the game regardless, I suppose that, if he wants to play by regular 3rd (or 2nd) edition rules, with the Russia Restricted option only on top of them (thus without marine and destroyer), this mod is not a solution for him. Am I right? I also see that there is a "Classic: Iron Blitz 2rd Edition" mod too. Assuming "2rd" means "2nd", I can only guess this is a mod of the mod (Iron Blitz) of the mod (3rd Edition) of the the original Classic game reintroducing general 2nd Edition rules back together with the "Iron Blitz" specials (for example, having 2nd Edition rules but also having the marine and destroyer units). This seems very weird to me, if I'm even correctly understanding the matter (and, on top of this, the TripleA program is not fully implementing and distinguishing 2nd and 3rd Edition Classic rules, anyway). Does TripleA actually need 4 different versions of Classic? Is this confusing to me only? Also, is it correct that in "Iron Blitz" you must play with the additional "marine" and "destroyer" units (they are a default element of the game, as a change from the 3rd Edition before Iron Blitz)? Is adding "marine" and "destroyer" the only one difference between the original 3rd Edition and the Iron Blitz sub-version of the same? I think so, but not sure.

"Exception on remote" just means that the error wasn't actually on your machine, but on a remote machine like a bot instead so just based on this message I can't really tell which error you mean. In case you mean this error, it should be fixed in the latest pre-release: https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/issues/6689

@Hepps thanks bud appreciate the effort

@jeff-rohr https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/1708/how-to-submit-a-bug-report And, yes, this is clearly a bug with the map (according to what stated in its own notes and to the fact that it makes no sense that "CentralCommand" "SouthernCommand" "NorthernCommand" have a technology that does nothing).

Thanks to all for your help. I was posting to the wrong forum. It should be as Panther has shown above, forums.triplea-game.org.

Oh...thanks Cernel, I am new to TA forum so I don't understand it all yet. Thanks beelee, I'll definitely give that a shot!

@LaFayette To be clear, I was referring to the proper rules, notwithstanding the TripleA behaviour. The list would be a lot shorter and simpler (relatively!) if one would document only the TripleA behaviours (as TripleA ignores a lot of the arguably many small differences between rulesets). However, that would be to some extent an exercise in guessing, as TripleA has a v1 default that is not even fully consistent, then has a v2 general property that I'm not aware is document anywhere what is actually doing (so, unless I'm missing something, only a developer can know what that property is doing), then has no general property to tell v2 LHTR apart, then has no general property (aside a fake one for v3) to tell apart the behaviours of whatever from v3 onwards. So, I think the only possible way for anyone to do it would be by looking at the basic games and just document how each happens to work for some TripleA version, which, at least for a non-developer, would pretty much mean taking all those "main" games and playtest everything, see what happens. I'm not trying to discourage anyone to do it and certainly it would be something good to have. Even better it would be good to have three such lists, one for the rulesets as TripleA enforces them, one for the rulesets as they should rather be and another one for the differences between these two lists of differences.

Thanks for clarification, if I could summarize: V2: casualties simply get to fire back if a destroyer is present V3+: first strike is removed if opposing side has a destroyer @Cernel regarding LL, with two rolls against a 4: 1/9 chance for 0 hits 4/9 chance for 1 hit 4/9 chance for 2 hits The odds are really good you'll get at least one hit, if not 2. With just one roll, you have a 1/3 chance for the 2nd hit, with the two dice you have slightly better odds for two hits. That means in LL, when attacking a naval fleet, you'd expect more often to have more casualties attacking with 2 subs and a bomber than you would 2 bombers (even though the attack power is the same). Personally I think a big misnomer of LL is that players reduce risk and/or are not playing odds. With subs, fighters and surface fleets, in LL you can get 3 hits with an attack power of as little as 8. Meanwhile a defender if rolling together will not have a chance for 3 hits until you get a power of at least 13, and below 12 there is a chance to have only one return hit.

Moved to Player Help.

@bluelionman The rules are agreed upon by the players example = Tech or No Tech, Low Luck or Dice, etc.

Hmm in this case it's a question of permissions. "Regular Users" have a rather limited permission set, so this might be something you can discuss with the moderators here

@bluelionman its based on someone "liking" or "disliking' a post you submitted in the forum. not sure why someone would give you a "thumbs down" vote but i think that is the reason.

@Benjamin-Parish https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/1708/how-to-submit-a-bug-report

@Cernel Thanks for the reply. I was playing on the New World Order (ver 1.8.7) map, but then tried with The Rising Sun (ver 1.9.3), and obtained the same result. Besides updating the game app, I downloaded new copies of these two maps as well. Meant to have written that in the first place as well, but forgot to.

@prastle Hi prastle please add me to the ladder when you can, you know me also as Elrond and yes i'm back.

@R8964234 Indeed the rules in 1942 SE are different. Stay safe, too.

I am going to win it, but only by gradually building battleships and taking capitols when the defenses were down. Winning ugly though.