@nothingtoseehere i think i got it pls use ubernaut@gmx.com 🙂 thanks @beelee 🙂

@ubernaut yeah, redoing MARTI would potentially save us $10/month on costs as well. I think redoing the bots with 'network relay' might be higher up on the list. That will save a ton of code, create an effective infinite number of bots, and save us maybe like $25/month. The 'network relay' will be an update where the bots will just be responsible for only forwarding network packets. Today, a bot is basically an entire player but is made somewhat invisible. We are bounded by the amount of RAM on a host for how many bots we can host. If bots are just sending network packets, they'll take up very little RAM. We'll only be bounded by network traffic. We could theoretically run dozens of bots per host instead just 3 to 5. This should cut our bot host count down from the current 6 or 8 today to maybe 2.

I think there might be some quick wins with the server's as well. AT least for me, I might be inclined to do a quick ELO system before redoing MARTI.

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 11

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Big World : 1942

Game History

Round: 11 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 6 armour and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

@panzerstahl-helm-0 Game History

Round: 11 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 FlakTower and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 19 PUs; Combat Move - Italians Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceItalians: Italians has 1 Rail placed in Southern Italy Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Italians takes Ukraine from Russians EDIT: Italians takes Rostov from Russians EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 bomber and 4 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy EDIT: 1 italian_para moved from Greece to Ukraine EDIT: 1 italian_para moved from Greece to Rostov EDIT: Italians undo move 4. EDIT: Italians undo move 3. 1 Italian_LCV moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy 1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy Combat - Italians Battle in Northern Italy Italians attack with 1 Italian_LCV, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 1 infantry Americans defend with 1 elite and 1 factory_minor Italians win, taking Northern Italy from Americans with 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Italians: 1 Italian_LCV Casualties for Americans: 1 elite Trigger Remove All ParaBoost: has removed 1 german_paraBoost owned by Germans in Greece Trigger Remove All BritishParaBoost: has removed 1 uk_paraBoost owned by British in Southern France Trigger Remove All BritishParaBoost: has removed 1 uk_paraBoost owned by British in Holland Belgium Trigger Remove All RussiansParaBoost: has removed 1 russian_paraBoost owned by Russians in Finland Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 110 Sea Zone Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 112 Sea Zone Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 109 Sea Zone Non Combat Move - Italians Trigger BritishParaBoost atSouthern France: British has 1 uk_paraBoost placed in Southern France Trigger RussiansParaBoost atFinland: Russians has 1 russian_paraBoost placed in Finland Trigger BritishParaBoost atHolland Belgium: British has 1 uk_paraBoost placed in Holland Belgium Trigger Wolfpack at110 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 110 Sea Zone Trigger Wolfpack at112 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 112 Sea Zone Trigger ParaBoost atGreece: Germans has 1 german_paraBoost placed in Greece Trigger Wolfpack at109 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 109 Sea Zone Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveItalians: has removed 1 Rail owned by Italians in Southern Italy Trigger Remove All ItaliansParaBoost: has removed 1 italian_paraBoost owned by Italians in Greece 1 bomber and 4 fighters moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy 1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 94 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Tobruk to Alexandria 1 infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria Place Units - Italians 1 FlakTower and 2 infantry placed in Southern Italy Turn Complete - Italians Trigger ItaliansParaBoost atGreece: Italians has 1 italian_paraBoost placed in Greece Italians collect 9 PUs; end with 28 PUs Trigger Italians AdvancedProduction: Italians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 31 PUs

Italy not dead yet!!!! Still looking for my teeth though.

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@beelee Yes, kill the air and naval bases

@beelee

Ahoi,

I railed the 1 inf from S France to S Italy in Edit.

Game History

Round: 3 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 air_transport, 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 elite, 9 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceJapanese: Japanese has 2 J_Rails placed in Kiangsu Note to players Russians: Japanese Sneak Attack! After Japanese Combat Move Russia May Immediately Place the Amount of PUs it Cost Japan to Declare War in Units in any Non Combat Russian Territory Or Add to their Tre.... 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Buyant-Uhaa to Chahar 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Chahar 1 infantry moved from Hopei to Shensi 2 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kweichow 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow 1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Kweichow 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Szechwan 2 bombers moved from Anhwe to Shensi 2 fighters moved from Anhwe to Szechwan Combat - Japanese Battle in Kweichow Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Kweichow, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kweichow 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Kweichow Japanese win, taking Kweichow from Chinese with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in Chahar Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Russians defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Chahar, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Chahar, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Chahar Japanese win, taking Chahar from Chinese with 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Szechwan Japanese attack with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Szechwan, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2,50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Szechwan 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Szechwan Japanese win, taking Szechwan from Chinese with 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in Shensi Japanese attack with 2 bombers and 2 infantry Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers and 2 infantry in Shensi, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,67 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shensi, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shensi Japanese win, taking Shensi from Chinese with 2 bombers and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 110 Sea Zone Non Combat Move - Japanese Trigger Wolfpack at110 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 110 Sea Zone Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveJapanese: has removed 2 J_Rails owned by Japanese in Suiyuyan 1 infantry moved from Buryatia to Amur 1 infantry moved from Ulaanbaatar to Amur 1 armour moved from Soviet Far East to Amur 1 infantry moved from Siberia to Soviet Far East 1 infantry moved from Amur to Siberia 1 infantry moved from Amur to Sakha 1 artillery moved from Sakha to Amur 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kweichow to Hunan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Szechwan to Hunan 2 fighters moved from Szechwan to Hunan 2 bombers moved from Shensi to Amur 1 artillery moved from Yunnan to Hunan 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Hunan 2 J_Rails moved from Kiangsu to Korea 2 J_Rails and 2 infantry moved from Korea to Suiyuyan 3 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria 5 infantry moved from Korea to Amur EDIT: 1 japanese_para moved from Japan to Jehol 1 transport moved from 5 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Okinawa to 19 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 19 Sea Zone to Jehol 1 Japan_destroyer, 1 carrier, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone 1 Japan_destroyer, 1 carrier, 2 fighters and 1 transport moved from 5 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 Japan_destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Chahar to 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 6 Sea Zone to Japan 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to Hunan 1 fighter moved from Amur to Japan 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to Hopei 1 tactical_bomber moved from Chahar to Hopei 1 artillery and 1 elite moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 elite moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea Place Units - Japanese 1 carrier and 1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 9 infantry placed in Korea 1 air_transport and 1 elite placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs Trigger Japanese AdvancedProduction: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 8 PUs; end with 48 PUs Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 58 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0,67 Japanese regular : 0,83

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@lafayette gazza.

@thedog haven’t had a chance to look at it yet but it’s on my list 🙂

@panzerstahl-helm-0
a few days

@rogercooper I can't post using tsvg file, I need a zip file of the entire folder.

@crockett36 We are currently $105.00 shy of the Aug 1st bill.

@alkexr

Some thoughts on your "Tactics" table. It is a good approach but I have some simplifications for your math that do not change anything about the balance but make it a lot more digestible/transparent.

First the most important aspect: the table should not have 1 as the standard entry. It absolutely needs to be 0. The value of the unit itself (seen when you purchase it) should be roughly correct and the table should be at 0 instead of 1 for most entries. So all units get +1 for their corresponding baseline stat instead. Then river modifiers change to -1 and the others change to +1 for individual rows.

Almost as important: "Excellent" units get +2 almost everywhere. So their baseline stat(s) should just be increased by +1 and their "Tactics" bonuses reduced by -1 (in comparison to their current state) to +1 and 0 for rivers instead. Which would bring an additional advantage: "Excellent" units would be exactly in line with "Poor" units, eliminating them from the table!

Almost as important as well (because it has the same advantages): "Primitive" is identical with "Good" just shifted down by one. I would reduce the values for "Primitive" units by 1 for their corresponding baseline stat(s) (same reasoning as with excellent). This brings them in line with "good" units, gives them more appropriate baseline stats and eliminates the (most complex) category as well!

These simplifications leave you with three very simple categories: The only modifiers left are:

Specialized units (formerly "Poor" and "Excellent) get -1 for Rivers Average units get +1 for Caves Versatile units (formerly "Primitive" and "Good") get +1 for Caves, Plains and Settlements
This is MUCH easier to digest and creates much better/more appropriate baseline stats for the units. Calling it "specialized" (or "focused" or something like that) and "versatile" eliminates the intuition that "better" units should be the one getting the bonuses.

If I understand correctly, the "tactics" table and the the "terrain preference" table are the same thing just differentiated between common modifiers and uncommon (individual) modifiers. That is fine, of course, but maybe "Tactics (shared modifiers)" would be a clearer headline (this is highly subjective...). The text could reference that there a individual modifiers as well.

Is open fields the better terrain for good and excellent units on purpose? As good as a settlement?

IF you are not going with the simplifications layed out above (you should at least try and to tests with it...)

The original thought is/was "cheaper units should not be scaling as good as expensive units" and that led to the creation of shared modifiers/tactics. I would argue that the name of the table should reflect this logic. A troll does not employ clever "tactics" but it might bring "Versatility" because of its raw strength/power. So "Versatility" or "Versatility (shared modifiers)" would be clearer. Maybe even straight up something like "Units Power Levels". The wording is quite good (easy for all the non-native speakers). I do think "primitive" is a bit of an outlier. It does not work with "versatility" at all and it does wrong for "tactics". Primitive tactics are not necesarily wrong, they could potentially be the very best tactic possible. Overpowering an enemy by attacking all-out is often the best course of action (as is running away). Poor tactics are bad and poorly chosen. I would like this scale more: Poor - Simple - Average - Good - Excellent. It takes out the unclear meaning of primitive. The order in the tactics table is a bit broken. -> Rivers should be first (or last but then everything else would need to switch order as well). -> Caves should be last. -> Forests and Marshes should be part of the Mountains-and-Hills column. -> Open Fields and Settlements should be the same box/column.

For Windows, here are the folders where TripleA is stored.

C:\Program Files\TripleA = Default TripleA install path. In my case it is the latest 2.7 pre-release
C:\Program Files\TripleA-2.5.22294 = Custom install path for version 2.5.22294. In my case its a constant and does not change.

C:\Users\USERNAME\triplea\downloadedMaps = shared download path for both/all versions of TripleA

Could a Mac user please post similar for a Mac?
Thanks

@rogercooper Not yet. I'm thinking to bump the version number to '2.8' when all of these updates are ready. The '2.8' release announcement will be when it is ready. These backend changes are most of what we are waiting for.

@crockett36 Open a new thread as this discussion doesn't really belong on the "Curated" thread.

Latest version v215 ready for download.

WARNING: This version is NOT compatible with your old saved games, so finish them before upgrading.

In TripleA
Click Download Maps Button
Click Installed tab
Click 1941 Global Command Decision
Click Remove Button
Click Yes button to remove
Click Ok button (Successfully removed)
Click Close (To force the map list to refresh)
Click Download Maps Button
Find & Click 1941 Global Command Decision
Click Install button
Enjoy!

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v215
WARNING: This version is NOT compatible with your old saved games, so finish them before upgrading.

Kamikaze-Plane can now Scramble 1 Lots of place names have been shortened (thanks to RogerCooper) as need more space on the status bar in preparation for, Winter is coming, as a Terrain Effect Winter terrain effect can be turned on, for veteran German players it will slow your advance
Use Events: Winter Weather – to turned it on, before pressing Play button, in Game Options> Use Events: Winter Weather (tick), bottom right

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As an aside, here is a Google Gemini image, used in game
Type Google Gemini in your browser
Type Draw ww2 armoured column stuck in the snow
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Current v215 documentation (last page has winter turn on instructions)
1941_Global_Command_Decision_Manual.pdf

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Link to 1st post that has;
Google Drive download link
Latest TripleA version
Latest 1941 GCD manual

https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/3326/1941-global-command-decision-official-thread

@beelee I will give it a shot seeing if I can finally figure out how to post screenshots. If so, I can complete the game report

@rambo919

heh heh yea i hate windows 🙂