@Trout

Game History

Round: 3 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 Fortification, 1 elite, 10 infantry, 1 submarine and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceJapanese: Japanese has 2 J_Rails placed in Kiangsu Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Japanese takes Soviet Far East from Russians EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Note to players Russians: Japanese Sneak Attack! After Japanese Combat Move Russia May Immediately Place the Amount of PUs it Cost Japan to Declare War in Units in any Non Combat Russian Territory Or Add to their Tre.... 1 infantry moved from Amur to Buyant-Uhaa 1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Buyant-Uhaa 3 infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Suiyuyan 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan Japanese take Szechwan from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Amur to Sakha Japanese take Sakha from Russians EDIT: 1 Japanese_LCV, 1 elite and 1 infantry moved from Japan to Soviet Far East 1 artillery moved from Manchuria to Buyant-Uhaa 1 infantry moved from Chahar to Central Mongolia Japanese take Central Mongolia from Russians 1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Buyant-Uhaa Combat - Japanese Battle in Suiyuyan Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Chinese defend with 2 infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Suiyuyan, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 2,83 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Suiyuyan, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Suiyuyan 2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Suiyuyan Japanese win, taking Suiyuyan from Chinese with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry Battle in Buyant-Uhaa Japanese attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Buyant-Uhaa, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Buyant-Uhaa, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Buyant-Uhaa Japanese win, taking Buyant-Uhaa from Russians with 1 artillery and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 93 Sea Zone Non Combat Move - Japanese Trigger Wolfpack at93 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 93 Sea Zone Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveJapanese: has removed 2 J_Rails owned by Japanese in Kweichow 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Manchuria to Chahar 1 infantry moved from Korea to Amur 2 infantry moved from Manchuria to Buyant-Uhaa 2 J_Rails moved from Kiangsu to Korea 2 J_Rails and 2 infantry moved from Korea to Kweichow 2 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kweichow 1 infantry moved from Hopei to Kweichow 1 aaGun and 1 artillery moved from Anhwe to Kweichow 1 fighter moved from Suiyuyan to Manchuria 1 tactical_bomber moved from Suiyuyan to Manchuria 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Suiyuyan to Kweichow 2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Hunan to Kweichow 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Okinawa to 19 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Korea to 6 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kiangsi 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Kiangsi 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Kiangsi 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from 19 Sea Zone to Kiangsu 1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 41 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 Japan_destroyer and 1 carrier moved from 33 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Kiangsi 2 bombers moved from Kwangsi to Kiangsi Place Units - Japanese 1 submarine and 2 transports placed in 6 Sea Zone 1 elite placed in Japan 10 infantry placed in Korea 1 Fortification placed in Caroline Islands Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs Trigger Japanese AdvancedProduction: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 8 PUs; end with 45 PUs Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 55 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 1,33 Japanese regular : 1,17 Russians regular : -0,33

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@trout said in Game 1 Multi Panzer Alex vs Trout barnee:

@alexander Interesting purchases for the Imperial Paratrooper Corps. Scramble instructions for SZ 97 are requested??

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no scramble

Alright, spent a good 4 hours catching up on TripleA today..

2.7 status:

error reporting modules need to be migrated to the support-server (that is why the error-report functionality throws a 404): #14048 need to update the game settings to use the "beta" maps server by default, and remove the old code path that would download & read triplea_maps.yaml a lot of maps have maps.yaml parsing issues, or are using the "wrong" branch. Need to do three things there: A ) server should be forgiving (and even prefer) 'main' as the default branch name B ) need to create a report of which maps have problems C ) fix the various maps that have problems (at least any problems in 'maps.yaml', there are a lot of missing description files and some other more minor issues here and there)

Otherwise, outstanding are the things on this list: "2.7" & "Major" issue list

While we are beefing that list up, please keep in mind we should only label things that are introduced or made worse by 2.7 as '2.7'.

On the roadmap is to change how TripleA represents the state of the game to be a plain text file instead of a binary encoding. Once that is done, it'll be a lot easier to interoperate different TripleA game clients (ie: a mobile version that interoperates with a desktop version).

The level of effort to reach that goal is pretty high though. It's been an uphill battle to tackle our current goals... I do agree it would be pretty sweet to be able to play a turn of TripleA during coffee breaks.

@trout Wow - I am totally jet lagged but I don't know how I did that mistake. Fortunately there were no dice rolls and such so I just took your Mafia turn and redid the Aussies and their one French buddy.

I apologize for this - as I start to figure out this game I expect to be better at all the details ... but in my defense I had just returned from a week away from Mrs JC and, well, let's just say that the very fact that I even tried to work in a turn says a ton about my respect for you and @Beelee too - I really do love this game.

And, in fact, I did say to her last night, "Of course, dear wife, I love you more than any silly game... but these guys are so AWESOME and this game is so COMPELLING. I just need to do this turn ..."

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.... And the text file of this amazingly complicated turn : Again, no big stuff. Just had those two French guys turn to UK guys per the rules - and again my sloppiness I guess did not catch that like I should have but definitely let me know if that is wrong.

The French moved a destroyer to block the IJN from crushing the Aussies for one more turn. And the Aussies built a factory in a MUCH better place IMHO. I guess the French guy in Brazil cannot turn to UK because the rules state something like, "any French inf IN THE UK" and I took that literally... again please let me know if that is mistaken.

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OK. whew. Back to SCARY GERMANY up next. I tremble with fear...

@wc_sumpton & @beelee , cut it out with the insults. To fully respond would require quite an essay, which I'm not going to do. Suffice it to say, a number of things you said are wrong, I don't think maliciously so, just a misunderstanding of unrelated things feeling related.

Why was the game not showing the proper amount of PUs for the AI player? No one can answer this question. So instead of trying to figure out the real problem, the message caused by this problem is remove.

I'll respond to this. The reason seems to be because the AI-only trigger that grants PUs to the AI player is bugged and is not working. Why that is so, is not known. If it were, it would likely be fixed. I spent 4 hours on a Saturday looking at that issue instead of doing anything else in my life. It's heartening to now be told that clearly IDGF.

there were many errors, but all these errors could be traced back to the failure of the xml not loading correctly.

@wc_sumpton please clearly communicate your evidence for this. I suspect the XML was loaded correctly, but the conditions for firing the bugged trigger were not evaluated correctly. I believe it would be much more helpful to present why you think that was the case, in a clear and simple manner, compared to spending effort venting.

@ubernaut ok coming

@trout
just getting ready to look at it. My Avs and the Clones both just won 🙂

Edit
You forgot to move the LCV to HOL 🙂 You wanna just dust it and put a Inf there ?

I will just do that as it's the obvious move 🙂

Dam Italians didn't do much in Iraq lol Yea ANZC should be able to complete the conquest. Have to see if IJN has enough power to risk it or not 🙂

Edit 2
Ahh my Bad. You used the Trprt not the LCV 😊

Game History

Round: 8 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 NavalMine3, 3 armour, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 italian_para; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Italians Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceItalians: Italians has 1 Europe_Rail placed in Southern Italy Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Italians takes Rostov from Russians EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 infantry moved from Persia to Northwest Persia Italians take Northwest Persia from Russians EDIT: 1 italian_para moved from Greece to Rostov EDIT: 1 italian_para moved from Greece to Ukraine 2 fighters moved from 99 Sea Zone to Ukraine 1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine 1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Ukraine 3 armour, 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry moved from Romania to Baltic States Combat - Italians Battle in Ukraine Italians attack with 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 italian_para Russians defend with 1 elite Italians roll dice for 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 italian_para in Ukraine, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 elite in Ukraine, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Ukraine 1 elite owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine Italians win, taking Ukraine from Russians with 3 fighters and 1 italian_para remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 elite Battle in Baltic States Italians attack with 3 armour, 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry Russians defend with 2 infantry Italians roll dice for 3 armour, 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 4/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 mech_infantry owned by the Italians lost in Baltic States 2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States Italians win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 3 armour and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Italians: 1 mech_infantry Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 92 Sea Zone Non Combat Move - Italians Trigger Wolfpack at92 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 92 Sea Zone Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveItalians: has removed 1 Europe_Rail owned by Italians in Greece 1 bomber moved from Baltic States to Western Germany 2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia 2 fighters moved from Ukraine to 99 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia 1 air_transport and 1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Gibraltar 1 air_transport moved from Gibraltar to Southern Italy 1 artillery moved from Syria to 99 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from 99 Sea Zone to Greece EDIT: 1 italian_para moved from Southern Italy to Greece EDIT: 1 Italian_LCV and 2 infantry moved from Southern France to Gibraltar EDIT: 1 Italian_LCV moved from Gibraltar to Southern France 1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France 1 Europe_Rail moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy 1 Europe_Rail and 1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Greece 1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Romania 1 NavalMine3 moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone 1 Escort and 1 NavalMine3 moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone Place Units - Italians Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from 98 Sea Zone: 1 Escort_Convoy EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to 97 Sea Zone: 1 Escort EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Changer to 98 Sea Zone: 6 ITA_SeaMines EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 NavalMine3, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 italian_para placed in Southern Italy 3 armour and 3 infantry placed in Northern Italy Turn Complete - Italians Trigger Italians RemoveItalyConvoySZ98Invert: has removed 1 Escort owned by Italians in 98 Sea Zone Trigger ItaliansParaBoost atUkraine: Italians has 1 italian_paraBoost placed in Ukraine Trigger ItaliansParaBoost atRostov: Italians has 1 italian_paraBoost placed in Rostov Trigger Italians RemoveItalyConvoySZ98Invert: Italians has 1 Escort_Convoy placed in 98 Sea Zone Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 80 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,1,5,4,4,5,1,2,6 Italians collect 23 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 23 PUs Trigger Italians AdvancedProduction: Italians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 26 PUs Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 4 PUs; end with 30 PUs Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 35 PUs Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 40 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 0.83 Russians regular : 0.67

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well still can't get rid of those NMs lol oh well 🙂

So 9 NMs in 98 are armed. The other ones are bs 🙂

@wc_sumpton

Yeah, the 2.7 version has a lot of visual issues.

I just opened the 2.5 version, it's great.

Thank you for the replies.

I will download and install the new version of 1941 GCD and test straight away.

I recognize that the AI struggles as units (and additional variables of complexity, such as additional PUs) are increased (in my case, exponentially). However, without USA intervention, the Axis conquers Western and Eastern Europe too easily--even on this elegantly detailed map.

I am no software developer, so I may be naive regarding how the AI may be tweaked to be more aggressive. Personally, I would much prefer to play against an AI whose motto is, "it is a good day to die", over "defend the homeland".

Thank you for listening.

Samurai JD

@sgrom8504

Right Arm 💪

Let us know if you need help

@mshanaplayerson

Sweet ! Let us know if you need any help 🙂

@kindwind It would seem that training against random games would be every inefficient compared to training against the AI that TripleA comes with.TripleA is not Go, random play should be very bad.

@kindwind If you want to try a neural net AI for TripleA, you would need to modify TripleA to support repeated self-play. For example of programs that support repeated self-play checkout Ludii & Chess Arena.

Supporting repeated self-play would be project of moderate difficulty in Java. (TripleA already supports self-play). You would need to learn Java (Vibe coding doesn't cut it).. Repeated self-play would also be useful for balancing mods.

I don't know how well a neural net would play TripleA. The number of possible moves in Go is a most 361, far fewer than the number of possible moves in a TripleA game. An effort to get a neural net to play a 2-player Risk variant did not go well.

One advantage is that TripleA already has heuristic AI's that could be used to train a neural net.

@samurai-jd said in A more challenging AI:

Re: 💥 1941 Global Command Decision - Official Thread

First, for a guy who has played TripleA in the earliest of days and before that all the published versions of the Axis and Allies board games since the 1980s, the GCD map and rules is a true masterpiece. Thank you.

I play solo. Can anything be done to improve the skill of the AI? I have tried both Fast and Hard modes. No matter how I favor the AI (through multiple iterations as either Axis or Allies) the AI is finished by the 7th round. In my most current effort, I start with 2700 units for the Axis and 2400 units for the Allies. Especially when the AI plays as the Allies, I can NEVER get the USA to invade Continental Europe no matter how favorable I set the situation.

I appreciate your time and the incredible game that you have so elegantly created.

Samurai JD

A large, complex mod such as 1941 Global Command decision is difficult for the AI to play properly. More units just makes it worse.

You would need either to change to mod to help the AI or give the US units near Europe each turn using the editor

@beelee cool o7

Currently the latest pre-release onwards causes errors like
2.7.15230: ResourceCollection#removeResource:54
The devs are working their way through solving some of the outstanding issues.

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I suggest players use this version
https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/releases/tag/2.7.15025
As center on Capital works

@thedog You may want to check my wiki for modern scenarios at https://axisandallies.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Timeline?from=2001

There are a number of mods and maps they may give you some ideas.