@alkexr I was trying to make upkeep as visible source in the purchase screen in my map like that but couldn't find a way because its not a resource. I am using <option name="createsResourcesList" value="-x:PUs"/> tag to represent upkeep.

Wondering is turning into supply like this system the onyl way to make is visible?

@wirkey Haha. Its a thread that will live in infamy!

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 15

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 15 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese repair damage of 4x factory_minor; Remaining resources: 69 PUs; 4 SuicideAttackTokens; Japanese buy 11 armour; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; 4 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 armour moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan 1 armour moved from Kwangsi to French Indo China Japanese take French Indo China from French 1 armour moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Hopei 1 artillery moved from Anhwe to Hopei 2 armour moved from Hunan to Yunnan 1 armour moved from India to Eastern Persia Japanese take West India from UK_Pacific Japanese take Eastern Persia from British 5 armour moved from India to Yunnan 1 fighter moved from Burma to 41 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Burma to 41 Sea Zone 2 battleships, 6 carriers, 6 fighters and 3 transports moved from 80 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Union of South Africa to South West Africa Japanese take South West Africa from British 1 armour moved from South West Africa to Rhodesia 1 armour moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia 1 armour moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia 1 armour moved from Kiangsu to Hopei Combat - Japanese Battle in Rhodesia Japanese attack with 3 armour British defend with 1 armour Japanese roll dice for 3 armour in Rhodesia, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits British roll dice for 1 armour in Rhodesia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 armour owned by the Japanese and 1 armour owned by the British lost in Rhodesia Japanese win, taking Rhodesia from British with 2 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Japanese: 1 armour Casualties for British: 1 armour Battle in Hopei Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Hopei, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hopei, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Hopei, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hopei, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Hopei, round 4 : 2/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hopei, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Hopei Japanese win, taking Hopei from Chinese with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in Yunnan Japanese attack with 9 armour British defend with 1 infantry; Chinese defend with 4 infantry Japanese roll dice for 9 armour in Yunnan, round 2 : 6/9 hits, 4.50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 5 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits 2 armour owned by the Japanese, 4 infantry owned by the Chinese and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 7 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 2 armour Casualties for Chinese: 4 infantry Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in 41 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 41 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 41 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 41 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 41 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 41 Sea Zone 1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 41 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15 Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer and 1 transport Non Combat Move - Japanese 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 41 Sea Zone to India Place Units - Japanese 3 armour placed in Kiangsu 3 armour placed in Kwangtung 3 armour placed in India 2 armour placed in Union of South Africa Turn Complete - Japanese Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 8 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,4,6,6,6,1,2,2,1,1,2,1,1,5,6,5,5,6,3,2,5,2,1,3,6,4,3,2,5,2,1,3,3,3,2,5 Japanese collect 35 PUs (8 lost to blockades); end with 38 PUs Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 43 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

British : 0.50 ANZAC : -0.67 Chinese : -0.67 Japanese : -1.83

Savegame

@hepps hmmmm: DISORDER by SLAYER & ICE -T....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Qj4ejfoNU
( especially atfer 2:12 )
"War , I don't want your war,
war, we don't need your war"

or does that sound tooo hippie? or not practical in wargaming

hej but why not a relaxing MOZART-piece....

@schulz no I got it to work. Just took a long time for my computer to have the map blends show up. Just waiting on the PR to get merged

@Zim-Xero Actually, here I wasn't saying give flat instead of percentage, and, actually, I was suggesting to change nothing but how the info is worded. That is still percentage, just that "Giving RomanRepublic 150% income for 10 PUs" definitely reads like the 150% income is total 10 PUs.
Tho probably it would be better reading as:

Giving RomanRepublic +50% income for +10 PUs; end with 30 PUs

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 14

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 14 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 1 bomber and 1 destroyer; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland 1 artillery moved from New South Wales to Queensland 3 bombers moved from Philippines to 6 Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from New Guinea to Philippines Combat - ANZAC Battle in 6 Sea Zone ANZAC attack with 3 bombers Japanese defend with 1 carrier and 1 transport ANZAC roll dice for 3 bombers in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 2.00 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 transport owned by the Japanese and 1 carrier owned by the Japanese lost in 6 Sea Zone ANZAC win with 3 bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 23 Casualties for Japanese: 1 carrier and 1 transport Non Combat Move - ANZAC 1 bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to Soviet Far East 1 bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to Soviet Far East 1 bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to Soviet Far East Place Units - ANZAC 1 bomber placed in New South Wales 1 destroyer placed in 62 Sea Zone Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 19 PUs Purchase Units - French French buy 3 armour; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - French 1 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to Poland French take Poland from Germans 3 armour moved from France to Greater Southern Germany 1 artillery moved from Southern France to Northern Italy Combat - French Non Combat Move - French Place Units - French 3 armour placed in France Turn Complete - French Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 82 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,3 French collect 21 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 22 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

ANZAC : 1.00 Japanese : -0.33

Savegame

@Numetalfan Sweet !

@Frostion I think after the AI fixes I made last time around, you should be able to lower young dragon TUV considerably compared to what its at now. I'd say start with about halving it and see how that plays. It shouldn't need to be too precise just enough value that they don't sacrifice them.

I think the sea dragon spawning system is definitely better as you have more control over the location and can specify some what fair locations between good and evil as well as have it spawn with some defenders. Leaving dragon placement to the AI will always be kind of questionable and probably too random given their value.

Well I think Mr @Black_Elk probably was a bit overly dragon crazed this past game 🙂 As when you take poor odds on capturing the dragon then you are not only losing units, you are also usually giving the opponent a better shot at it (this is essentially what happened with the blue dragon).

Dragons are very strong, mostly because of the high HP as well as range/flexibility. It allows you to often fight battles and lose no units while then killing multiple enemy units. It is also very strong in sea battles since you don't have many starting ships so it quickly swings naval superiority. Its mostly the white/blue/red dragons that are really strong as the other ones don't really have enough HP to matter as much. I'd say the red dragon is probably worth something around 100 TUV so about 10 standard units. Given that since you only generate/build like 1-3 units/turn early rounds that is a pretty big swing.

As the game sits now, its not as much about land grab as its still about naval superiority as there is a lot of water on the map and the sea zones are pretty large. You need to get enough land to have income to build some ships but dragons tend to be pretty key. Also the capital blockade sea zones are really strong and you could argue almost better to just sit and blockade then take the enemy capital.

For sure, its definitely a cool map. The learning curve is a little steep, since its sufficiently different from other maps I've played that I can't really do like a ready substitution from previous experience, but I dig it. Just loaded that last save with the map details off, and its interesting to see the difference. I think I should have also mulled over the notes a bit more, but it was fun diving in.

Yeah I think you're right about using the spawns as the basic building blocks. Especially since the other cheap ground units often have one resource that is really expensive driving the cap.

@waxfingers said in Unit Option When Damaged Change Into Different Unit (Weakened Battleships):

Hi @rogercooper

OK I will check that out. I am not sure if it does exactly what I am proposing though. Would removing IPCs mean a single bombing run takes away so much IPCs for that turn only? Or does the damage and consequence persist if not repaired?

My idea is more of a continuous drain if not dealt with and repaired. Also, I wanted the major territories to be a little bit resistant to it (would need like 3+ planes or separate bombing runs to do enough damage to have an effect). That is why the math was territory value less bombing value is the amount of IPCs lost. So if territory is 5 and bombing was only 3 then nothing happens to IPCs.

It would not be persistent. If you want persistent damage, just make damage to factory capacity unrepairable.

@black-order I'd probably recommend putting the huge map on pause and create a much smaller map either version of avatar or something else. That way you can learn the map making process end to end and many of the gotchas that can be very difficult to change once you get to a certain point in the map making process. That way you can make sure you do the giant Avatar map the right way and not realize half way through that you need a bunch of rework that would be incredibly painful at that huge scale.

@wirkey GG. Yeah once both Russia and China have lost all their capitals unless the Allies have crippled either Germany or Japan its pretty much over. Given that this is LL unless the Axis would make a major mistake, I think this game is over after the fall of Moscow.

Cool game though. If Russia/China could have held out a few more turns then the Allies could have easily won. Italy being crippled really made this one interesting. The Allies really needed to pressure Germany faster to save Russia. Greece while an interesting idea ended up being very slow to put pressure on Germany.

@hepps got a new bug

In Rnd 1 when Japan attacks UK in SZ 148 both parties carrier have two hitpoints, although you can't see it when choosing casualties. Really weird.

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autosaveAfterJapanCombatMove.tsvg

@LaFayette Ideally, both in the download (more important) and the select map (less important) screens would have various tags such as map category (others could be things like number of players, average duration, average complexity, etc). Main purpose would be providing users a better way of searching for maps they would be interested in playing. I think the best example I can think of is something like https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/35052/axis-allies-anniversary-edition. Essentially high level meta data info that could then be used for sorting/filtering maps.

Thank You Triplea

Couldn't find the previous thank you thread so...been a while and just wanted to say I really appreciate what redrum, Roix, Dan Van Atta, ssloff ( haven't seen you in a while hope all is good ). You guys been kicking ass.

Thanks to prastle, panther, cernel, hepps and well... there's a whole bunch of you 🙂

Thanks for making triplea cool. It makes a few people happy and they then make more people happy 🙂

Peace Out

Rock On TripleA

@Frostion Side note, for the tooltips on map, I would find more useful getting the info about the unit value (usually, cost), so I'm really not seeing why we are getting told who is the owner and not what is the value of that unit, from someone that would have neither of them.

Right on. I'll bang out a turn when I get back later this evening

today epinikions allies won lucky versus bayders axis (+9 full africa bid) in round 1 by decision of dice gods (battles in ukr rus 1 and sz 15 ger1). Thanks to all players in TOC 16 and last not least to bayder, who organized this tournament very well.
epi

@rainova No idea if it is feasible, but my suggestion is that every time you start TripleA whilst having a zoom which is going to be applied to the program, the program prompts the user to choose whether or not actually to apply the zoom to TripleA too (maybe with a tick box for not asking it again, though such a choice should better be somehow reversible).

We should not expect players to change their screen resolution in order to see TripleA units big enough

I agree. I remember someone (who I believe is not any longer active) in the past arguing that doing so was easy enough, back then when I pointed out that most of TripleA was going to become visually obsolete with the advent of 4k.

Some might remember that it has been many years I'm keeping saying everyone in TripleA should think primarily in terms of 4k resolution (like advicing mapmakers to make maps optimized, or at least good enough, for 4k screens).

A good "worst-case" test map might be "World At War", since it is a very popular game which has very small units and zones.