@wirkey Alright. GG. It was fun to get to play the Union a bit. I think I'll need to take a break for a few weeks as work has picked up and I ended up with too many games going on at once. It'll give ya some time to practice

Did you guys get permission from sieg for adding additional sea zone into Pacific during WaW update process? If not then wouldn't be possible to divide Belarus and Arabia in the update like you had done similar thing in WaW?

this topic is just another example where I find it interesting the difference between "mathematics" and its counterpart "applied mathematics"

@Frostion Good points. That needs to be balanced against precedent, essentially re-training users to no longer use the 'n' key.

Is anyone else having an "internal error" when they try to access new posts through the notification function?

@hepps heh heh : ) well having different dice sides for defense and offense seems to work. It was hitting at 1 out of 6 so i made it 1 out of 12 since it's getting 2 shots. My limited understanding says this should be the same probability of a hit, but I'm not completely sure about that. Anyway...Rock on : ) Edit yea I thought my math was flawed. Here's a couple cool sites that explain and compute it in case anyone is interested: http://www.edcollins.com/backgammon/diceprob.htm http://www.geteasysolution.com/44-is-what-percent-of-144 Still wasn't able to do exactly what I wanted but it came out pretty close. Ended up with two shots at a 1 in 10 on which gives the DD a 19% chance of a hit as opposed to 16.7% with a 1 in 6 and also gives it a 10% chance of a hit when the sub tries to sneak by

@gully sure, played a lot of axis game lately, so I'm fine with Allies. Don't care if pbf or pbem

@cernel But I'm really undecided here, since when you are dealing with a map made by someone else, it is really handy to use edit mode (in remove units mode) to be sure about what is in that territory, now that units may be hidden. I'm thinking units supposed to be never drawn should be allowed not having an image assigned (of course they should like in the case of all territories having a combat infrastructure), but, if editable, the engine should not give any errors for missing images when editing, if the unit is not to be drawn.

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Russians round 5 TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II v3 1941, version: 1.7 Game History Round: 5 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 3 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens; Combat Move - Russians 1 armour moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt 1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt 1 infantry moved from Bulgaria Romania to Balkans 2 armour moved from Poland to Balkans 1 bomber moved from Russia to Balkans 2 infantry moved from Poland to Czechoslovakia Hungary 1 artillery moved from Poland to Czechoslovakia Hungary 1 submarine moved from 13 Sea Zone to 14 Sea Zone Combat - Russians Battle in Czechoslovakia Hungary Russians attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Czechoslovakia Hungary, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Czechoslovakia Hungary, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Czechoslovakia Hungary Russians win, taking Czechoslovakia Hungary from Germans with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Egypt Russians attack with 1 armour and 1 infantry Italians defend with 1 armour Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Egypt, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Egypt, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 armour owned by the Italians lost in Egypt Russians win, taking Egypt from Germans with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Italians: 1 armour Battle in Balkans Russians attack with 2 armour, 1 bomber and 1 infantry Germans defend with 1 armour and 2 infantry Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Balkans, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,83 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 armour and 2 infantry in Balkans, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1,17 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 armour owned by the Russians and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Balkans Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 bomber in Balkans, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 1,17 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 armour in Balkans, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits 1 armour owned by the Russians lost in Balkans retreated to Balkans Italians win with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7 Casualties for Russians: 2 armour and 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Battle in 14 Sea Zone Russians attack with 1 submarine Italians defend with 1 submarine 1 submarine owned by the Italians Submerged Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 14 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits Non Combat Move - Russians 2 artilleries moved from Poland to Bulgaria Romania 5 infantry moved from Poland to Bulgaria Romania 1 aaGun moved from Ukraine to Caucasus 1 aaGun moved from Poland to Bulgaria Romania 2 infantry moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Baltic States 5 infantry moved from Belorussia to East Poland 1 infantry moved from Baltic States to East Poland 4 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bulgaria Romania 2 armour moved from Caucasus to Bulgaria Romania 2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Ukraine 1 armour moved from Russia to East Poland 3 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia S.S.R. 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Russia to Eastern Ukraine 2 armour moved from India to Caucasus 2 infantry moved from Persia to Caucasus 7 infantry moved from Stanovoj Chrebet to Yakut S.S.R. 1 bomber moved from Balkans to Bulgaria Romania Place Units - Russians 2 fighters placed in Russia 2 infantry placed in Karelia S.S.R. 3 armour and 1 infantry placed in Caucasus 1 artillery and 3 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 41 PUs; end with 41 PUs Objective 2: Russians met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 51 PUs Objective 1: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 56 PUs Combat Hit Differential Summary : Germans : 1,17 Italians : 1,33 Russians : 1,17 Savegame

@cernel OK, gotcha.

@redrum I post this as an example of how this rule, that I deem to be silly, can impact in a game. This is the chat we just had: Dany: what rule are we using for loading trannies? tcurin: in terms of block? Dany: now with new engine set up Dany: we can load after combat tcurin: if they were in combat, no Dany: k because now they can't move combat and non combat tcurin: this case we need to solve tcurin: can i load these transports in NCM? Dany: so has exemple they wont be able too come back in 24 tcurin: sz23 Dany: no they will be stuck in 232 tcurin: ok, solve that Dany: but maybe they had for counter that they load after combat Dany: since we use too move them away in combat and back in non combat Dany: You were slapped by Dany Dany: what do you think Cernel? Cernel: let me read Cernel: yeah no by revised rules you cannot load them in non combat Cernel: if you moved them in combat Cernel: which is dumb Dany: but now engine allows load after combat Dany: if they didnt move tcurin: if i keep them in sz24 Cernel: yes because by revised rules you can load or unload (not both) after combat if you took part in a battle without unloading tcurin: i would be able to load them? Dany: yes Dany: engine will alow tcurin: that is wrong i guess Dany: but not in previous version Cernel: but if you move them away from the hostile zone, they count as having move during combat move, and don't have the special bonus of being able no load Cernel: it is not wrong dany, just dumb Dany: well i would like too adapt too new engine evently Dany: to load after combat tcurin: i would preffer that i can move them in CM phase and load them in NCM Cernel: if those transports remain in 24 and take part in the battle without unloading, they will be able to load or unload but not both Dany: since trannies don't have attacking value Cernel: if you only move them away to 23 sea zone, they will be able to do nothing, during non combat move Dany: so let's play with enigne rules Tcurin? Dany: a load after combat allowed Dany: ? tcurin: ok tcurin: but not unload? Cernel: well, before being the engine rules, those are the revised rules; just the old engine gave freedom to the players to follow them or not Dany: no engine won'T allow Cernel: so as I said Cernel: if you keep the transports in 24 Cernel: you should be able to either: Cernel: 1) load them during non combat move, keeping what you loaded on board Cernel: 2) now load something on them, and then unload it during non combat move Cernel: but you should not be able to both load and unload in non combat move tcurin: option 2 is not possible i guess? Cernel: tho since the sea zone is hostile you cannot load in 24 sea zone now tcurin: they are in battle zone Cernel: correct Cernel: so basically, in this situation only things you can do is either: Cernel: 1) keeping them in 24 sea zone, do battle and in non combat move you will only able to load units on them and keeping such units on board Cernel: 2) moving them away to 23 or 22 sea zone and do nothing else now and nothing else during non combat move tcurin: yes Cernel: realistically, what I believe you should be able to do is to move out to 23 sea zone in combat movement, then, during non combat movement, moving back to a cleared 24 sea zone and eventually load a... Cernel: nd unload, but this is against the rules tcurin: agree on that too Dany: well it use to be that Dany: engine allowed that before tcurin: but let's follow rules on this, altough not ideal Cernel: that is just because the engine didn't support those rules, but you were supposed to follow them anyways (since this is revised rules) So, I'm not against enforcing this rule, as I said, since this is the actual rule for the basic Word War II Revised game, but I think it would be good to have either a property that, if set true, would allow to split movement of all units between combat and non combat movement or, even better, an option for define if each unit is able to still move during non combat movement if moved during combat movement or participated in a battle (default true if the unit is air, of course), and, then, a property for validating such option. This editable property (user option) can, of course, be added to World At War, I suppose off as default. In the above case, this would allow the player to move those Russians transports from 24 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone during Combat Movement, then, during Non Combat Movement, go back to 24 Sea Zone and freely load and unload. Tho I have to say that the recently added property for being able to load in hostile sea zones (not disposable in the mentioned game) goes a long way in reducing the distortive impact of this no-split movement rule.

@prastle yea my sound used to throw errors when it was on. Took me a while to figure out why people were getting annoyed with me in the lobby. : ) Fortunately I think it's fixed because I don't get errors anymore

@general_zod Never tried, but I'm almost sure it should not. However, since this option was made many years before steps existed, it may be related to the name of the momement phase only; so, you can try to have a named non combat movement phase with the steps turning it into a combat movement one, see if it fools the option into working during CM. Anyways, as I said, as it is, this option is really limited, as you can only use it for territories not touching two adjacent sea zones and only in case no other adjacent sea zones are touched by territories that touch other naval bases. I don't know if the issue of allowing keeping moving of 1 more again and again is the reason why it is years since any maps used it, if I've not overlooked some, but it would be an almost unavoidable reason for me to not considering it.

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 6 TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Europe 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.0 Game History Round: 6 Combat Move - Russians Turn Complete - Russians Combat Hit Differential Summary : Savegame

I didn't really understand well how do I do it but for simplification I made all allies nations minor of Britain and all axis nations minor of Germany. Every country has its overlords without overlord no idea how could it work. Also should I also arrange unit stuffs? 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name="destroysPUs" value="true"/> </attachment> <attachment name="playerAttachment" attachTo="ExiledAllies" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attachments.PlayerAttachment" type="player"> <option name="giveUnitControl" value="Britain"/> <option name="destroysPUs" value="true"/> </attachment> <attachment name="playerAttachment" attachTo="India" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attachments.PlayerAttachment" type="player"> <option name="giveUnitControl" value="Britain"/> <option name="destroysPUs" value="true"/> </attachment> <attachment name="playerAttachment" attachTo="Russia" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attachments.PlayerAttachment" type="player"> <option name="giveUnitControl" value="Britain"/> <option name="destroysPUs" value="true"/> </attachment> <attachment name="playerAttachment" attachTo="Usa" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attachments.PlayerAttachment" type="player"> <option name="giveUnitControl" value="Britain"/> <option name="destroysPUs" value="true"/> </attachment> <attachment name="playerAttachment" attachTo="China" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attachments.PlayerAttachment" type="player"> <option name="giveUnitControl" value="Britain"/> <option name="destroysPUs" value="true"/> </attachment> <attachment name="playerAttachment" attachTo="SouthAfrica" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attachments.PlayerAttachment" type="player"> <option name="giveUnitControl" value="Britain"/> <option name="destroysPUs" value="true"/> </attachment>

@Cernel I really think you are getting into a completely different issue at this point. Having alternative retreat rules would be a good feature request to discuss and I think most people agree the standard A&A ones leave a lot to be desired especially around your case #3.

Going back to old DB introduces some new problems, we are really limping along here. https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/issues/2342 to track this state and coordinate a longer term fix, likely a patch will be applied to not read from old DB at all, and we'll upgrade lobby software once more. Most of the bots are connected again, it's good to rejoin the lobby now. DanVanAtta created this issue in triplea-game/triplea closed Derby DB data went blank #2342

@redrum backwoods of British Columbia

@ssoloff It has been renewed for another year.

@cernel Ah, ok, couldn't have guessed that from your initial question that I read as rules question. Searching for sort of analogies in the rules we have the "Sea Units starting in hostile seazones" rules, that allow to move from a hostile seazone, simply to escape combat or to initiate combat elsewhere. So concerning land units I would tend to let the player decide to let them either stay and engage the enemy troops or to move to an adjacent territory during combat move phase. In case the territory has become hostile due to the player's proximate action, I would allow two steps. (Analogy: Load transport in hostile seazone exception, when the seazone has just become hostile due to proximate DOW by the transport's owning power). In case the territory has become hostile at some time between the power's turns, I would only allow one step in analogy to the 1914 rules. Just some ideas of course.