@cernel OK, gotcha.

@redrum I post this as an example of how this rule, that I deem to be silly, can impact in a game. This is the chat we just had: Dany: what rule are we using for loading trannies? tcurin: in terms of block? Dany: now with new engine set up Dany: we can load after combat tcurin: if they were in combat, no Dany: k because now they can't move combat and non combat tcurin: this case we need to solve tcurin: can i load these transports in NCM? Dany: so has exemple they wont be able too come back in 24 tcurin: sz23 Dany: no they will be stuck in 232 tcurin: ok, solve that Dany: but maybe they had for counter that they load after combat Dany: since we use too move them away in combat and back in non combat Dany: You were slapped by Dany Dany: what do you think Cernel? Cernel: let me read Cernel: yeah no by revised rules you cannot load them in non combat Cernel: if you moved them in combat Cernel: which is dumb Dany: but now engine allows load after combat Dany: if they didnt move tcurin: if i keep them in sz24 Cernel: yes because by revised rules you can load or unload (not both) after combat if you took part in a battle without unloading tcurin: i would be able to load them? Dany: yes Dany: engine will alow tcurin: that is wrong i guess Dany: but not in previous version Cernel: but if you move them away from the hostile zone, they count as having move during combat move, and don't have the special bonus of being able no load Cernel: it is not wrong dany, just dumb Dany: well i would like too adapt too new engine evently Dany: to load after combat tcurin: i would preffer that i can move them in CM phase and load them in NCM Cernel: if those transports remain in 24 and take part in the battle without unloading, they will be able to load or unload but not both Dany: since trannies don't have attacking value Cernel: if you only move them away to 23 sea zone, they will be able to do nothing, during non combat move Dany: so let's play with enigne rules Tcurin? Dany: a load after combat allowed Dany: ? tcurin: ok tcurin: but not unload? Cernel: well, before being the engine rules, those are the revised rules; just the old engine gave freedom to the players to follow them or not Dany: no engine won'T allow Cernel: so as I said Cernel: if you keep the transports in 24 Cernel: you should be able to either: Cernel: 1) load them during non combat move, keeping what you loaded on board Cernel: 2) now load something on them, and then unload it during non combat move Cernel: but you should not be able to both load and unload in non combat move tcurin: option 2 is not possible i guess? Cernel: tho since the sea zone is hostile you cannot load in 24 sea zone now tcurin: they are in battle zone Cernel: correct Cernel: so basically, in this situation only things you can do is either: Cernel: 1) keeping them in 24 sea zone, do battle and in non combat move you will only able to load units on them and keeping such units on board Cernel: 2) moving them away to 23 or 22 sea zone and do nothing else now and nothing else during non combat move tcurin: yes Cernel: realistically, what I believe you should be able to do is to move out to 23 sea zone in combat movement, then, during non combat movement, moving back to a cleared 24 sea zone and eventually load a... Cernel: nd unload, but this is against the rules tcurin: agree on that too Dany: well it use to be that Dany: engine allowed that before tcurin: but let's follow rules on this, altough not ideal Cernel: that is just because the engine didn't support those rules, but you were supposed to follow them anyways (since this is revised rules) So, I'm not against enforcing this rule, as I said, since this is the actual rule for the basic Word War II Revised game, but I think it would be good to have either a property that, if set true, would allow to split movement of all units between combat and non combat movement or, even better, an option for define if each unit is able to still move during non combat movement if moved during combat movement or participated in a battle (default true if the unit is air, of course), and, then, a property for validating such option. This editable property (user option) can, of course, be added to World At War, I suppose off as default. In the above case, this would allow the player to move those Russians transports from 24 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone during Combat Movement, then, during Non Combat Movement, go back to 24 Sea Zone and freely load and unload. Tho I have to say that the recently added property for being able to load in hostile sea zones (not disposable in the mentioned game) goes a long way in reducing the distortive impact of this no-split movement rule.

@prastle yea my sound used to throw errors when it was on. Took me a while to figure out why people were getting annoyed with me in the lobby. : ) Fortunately I think it's fixed because I don't get errors anymore

@general_zod Never tried, but I'm almost sure it should not. However, since this option was made many years before steps existed, it may be related to the name of the momement phase only; so, you can try to have a named non combat movement phase with the steps turning it into a combat movement one, see if it fools the option into working during CM. Anyways, as I said, as it is, this option is really limited, as you can only use it for territories not touching two adjacent sea zones and only in case no other adjacent sea zones are touched by territories that touch other naval bases. I don't know if the issue of allowing keeping moving of 1 more again and again is the reason why it is years since any maps used it, if I've not overlooked some, but it would be an almost unavoidable reason for me to not considering it.

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 6 TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Europe 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.0 Game History Round: 6 Combat Move - Russians Turn Complete - Russians Combat Hit Differential Summary : Savegame

I didn't really understand well how do I do it but for simplification I made all allies nations minor of Britain and all axis nations minor of Germany. Every country has its overlords without overlord no idea how could it work. Also should I also arrange unit stuffs? 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</attachment> <attachment name="playerAttachment" attachTo="China" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attachments.PlayerAttachment" type="player"> <option name="giveUnitControl" value="Britain"/> <option name="destroysPUs" value="true"/> </attachment> <attachment name="playerAttachment" attachTo="SouthAfrica" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attachments.PlayerAttachment" type="player"> <option name="giveUnitControl" value="Britain"/> <option name="destroysPUs" value="true"/> </attachment>

@Cernel I really think you are getting into a completely different issue at this point. Having alternative retreat rules would be a good feature request to discuss and I think most people agree the standard A&A ones leave a lot to be desired especially around your case #3.

TripleA Turn Summary: Mordor round 2 TripleA Turn Summary for game: Lord of the Rings: Middle Earth, version: 1.6 Game History Round: 2 Purchase Units - Mordor Mordor buy 6 orcss and 1 siegeTower; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Mordor Mordor loses 0 PUs for violating Rhovanions neutrality. Mordor loses 0 PUs for violating N. Brown Landss neutrality. Mordor loses 0 PUs for violating S. Brown Landss neutrality. Mordor loses 0 PUs for violating N. Brown Landss neutrality. 1 trolls moved from Dol Goldur to Rhovanion Mordor take Rhovanion from Neutral 1 siegeTower moved from Dol Goldur to S. Mirkwood 3 orcss moved from Dol Goldur to S. Mirkwood 1 trolls moved from Dol Goldur to S. Mirkwood 2 orcss moved from Minas Morgul to S. Ithilien 2 orcss moved from Dagorlad to S. Brown Lands Mordor take S. Brown Lands from Neutral 1 orcs moved from Udun to Dagorlad 2 orcss moved from N. Ithilien to Dagorlad 5 orcss moved from Minas Morgul to N. Ithilien 4 orcss moved from Minas Morgul to N. Ithilien 1 orcs moved from Minas Morgul to N. Ithilien 3 trollss moved from Minas Morgul to N. Ithilien 6 siegeTowers moved from Minas Morgul to N. Ithilien 2 siegeTowers moved from Minas Morgul to N. Ithilien 2 nazguls moved from Barad Dur to S. Ithilien 1 trolls moved from S. Mirkwood to N. Brown Lands Mordor take N. Brown Lands from Neutral 1 nazgul moved from Barad Dur to N. Ithilien Combat - Mordor Battle in S. Ithilien Mordor attack with 2 nazguls and 2 orcss Gondor defend with 2 trebuches Mordor roll dice for 2 nazguls and 2 orcss in S. Ithilien, round 2 : 2/1 hits, 1,67 expected hits Gondor roll dice for 2 trebuches in S. Ithilien, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 2 trebuches owned by the Gondor lost in S. Ithilien Mordor win, taking S. Ithilien from Gondor with 2 nazguls and 2 orcss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Gondor: 2 trebuches Non Combat Move - Mordor 2 nazguls moved from S. Ithilien to N. Ithilien 1 nazgul moved from N. Ithilien to Dagorlad Place Units - Mordor 3 orcss and 1 siegeTower placed in Dol Goldur 3 orcss placed in Minas Morgul Turn Complete - Mordor Mordor collect 23 PUs; end with 23 PUs Combat Hit Differential Summary : Mordor : 0,33 Gondor : -0,33 Savegame

Going back to old DB introduces some new problems, we are really limping along here. https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/issues/2342 to track this state and coordinate a longer term fix, likely a patch will be applied to not read from old DB at all, and we'll upgrade lobby software once more. Most of the bots are connected again, it's good to rejoin the lobby now. DanVanAtta created this issue in triplea-game/triplea closed Derby DB data went blank #2342

@redrum backwoods of British Columbia

@ssoloff It has been renewed for another year.

@cernel Ah, ok, couldn't have guessed that from your initial question that I read as rules question. Searching for sort of analogies in the rules we have the "Sea Units starting in hostile seazones" rules, that allow to move from a hostile seazone, simply to escape combat or to initiate combat elsewhere. So concerning land units I would tend to let the player decide to let them either stay and engage the enemy troops or to move to an adjacent territory during combat move phase. In case the territory has become hostile due to the player's proximate action, I would allow two steps. (Analogy: Load transport in hostile seazone exception, when the seazone has just become hostile due to proximate DOW by the transport's owning power). In case the territory has become hostile at some time between the power's turns, I would only allow one step in analogy to the 1914 rules. Just some ideas of course.

So if folks have potential recommended changes for isSuicide, it would probably be better to start a new thread given that this thread is about isSuicideOnHit and has already been implemented.

Would be nice if the Calc button was bigger or more centered/obvious somehow. I keep wanting to hit close for some reason to activate it : ) Sorry haven't checked out the new model yet. I'll give it a shot soon. Good work as always : )

TripleA Move Summary: Humans round 1 TripleA Move Summary for game: World of War Heroes, version: 0.0.1 Game History Round: 1 Combat Move - Humans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Changing PUs for Humans from 0 to 100 EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 Arthur moved from Stormwind to Stormwind Mountains Humans take Stormwind Mountains from Nature Purchase Units - Humans Humans buy 1 Crossbowmen and 1 Footmen; Remaining resources: 82 PUs; Savegame

@alkexr Was watching some people on the lobby play this... noticed a pretty significant issue in terms of playability. Since there a zero flags for any nations... it makes it kinda difficult to try to figure out who is playing what. Might want to put adding flags (at the very least small) on the list of things to do.

@VanBattlesick You wanted to try option 2

Hmm. I've received nothing, including no rolls from you. Edit! ah its considering it spam now! Just so we don't forget for future list: edit: Similar bug near MIssissippi Lowe 5 as at the Fort earlier mentioned, cannot move from the water 2 steps north, instead it takes a 3 step long path. Probably not fixable.

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 3 TripleA Turn Summary for game: Global 40 House Rules with Canada, version: 2.6 Game History Round: 3 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 Japanese_artillery, 1 Japanese_bomberA0C5, 3 Japanese_infantrys, 1 Japanese_militia, 1 bunker, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyerC5 and 1 factory_minor; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from Sumatra: 1 fighter EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to India: 1 fighter EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode DestroyerDepthCharge fire in 55 Sea Zone : 0/1 hits, 0.10 expected hits 1 submarine moved from 41 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_artillery and 1 Japanese_infantry moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_artillery, 1 Japanese_infantry, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyerC5 and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_artillery and 1 Japanese_infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra 1 Japanese_artillery moved from Kwangtung to 20 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_infantry moved from Kwangtung to 20 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_artillery, 1 Japanese_infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_artillery and 1 Japanese_infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra 1 Japanese_artillery and 1 Japanese_infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_artillery, 1 Japanese_infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_artillery and 1 Japanese_infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java 1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_infantry moved from Borneo to 43 Sea Zone 2 Japanese_infantrys and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 2 Japanese_infantrys moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java 1 battleship and 1 carrier moved from 43 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_elite moved from Guam to 21 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_elite, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyerC5 moved from 21 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_elite moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes 1 Japanese_fighter and 1 Japanese_tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to Java 1 Japanese_artillery and 1 Japanese_infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State 1 Japanese_fighter moved from French Indo China to Shan State 2 Japanese_artillerys, 3 Japanese_infantrys and 1 Japanese_mech_infantry moved from Kweichow to Yunnan 1 Japanese_infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan 1 Japanese_fighter and 1 Japanese_tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Yunnan 1 Japanese_fighter and 1 Japanese_tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 1 Japanese_fighter and 1 Japanese_tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 1 Japanese_tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Shan State 1 Japanese_fighter and 1 Japanese_tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Yunnan Combat - Japanese Battle in Celebes Battle in Java Japanese attack with 1 Japanese_artillery, 1 Japanese_fighter, 3 Japanese_infantrys and 1 Japanese_tactical_bomber ANZAC defend with 1 aaGunC4 and 1 infantry AA fire in Java : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship in Java, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 Japanese_artillery, 1 Japanese_fighter, 3 Japanese_infantrys and 1 Japanese_tactical_bomber in Java, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2.33 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 1 aaGunC4 and 1 infantry in Java, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the ANZAC and 1 aaGunC4 owned by the ANZAC lost in Java Japanese win, taking Celebes from Dutch, taking Java from ANZAC with 1 Japanese_artillery, 1 Japanese_fighter, 3 Japanese_infantrys and 1 Japanese_tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for ANZAC: 1 aaGunC4 and 1 infantry Battle in Sumatra Japanese attack with 2 Japanese_artillerys and 2 Japanese_infantrys British defend with 1 aaGunC4 and 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Sumatra, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 Japanese_artillerys and 2 Japanese_infantrys in Sumatra, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 aaGunC4 and 1 infantry in Sumatra, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British and 1 aaGunC4 owned by the British lost in Sumatra Japanese win, taking Sumatra from UK_Pacific with 2 Japanese_artillerys and 2 Japanese_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for British: 1 aaGunC4 and 1 infantry Battle in 55 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 Japanese_fighter, 1 Japanese_tactical_bomber and 1 submarine ANZAC defend with 1 destroyerC5 DestroyerDepthCharge fire in 55 Sea Zone : 0/1 hits, 0.10 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 55 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 Japanese_fighter and 1 Japanese_tactical_bomber in 55 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyerC5 in 55 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 destroyerC5 owned by the ANZAC lost in 55 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 Japanese_fighter, 1 Japanese_tactical_bomber and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyerC5 Battle in Shan State Japanese attack with 1 Japanese_artillery, 1 Japanese_fighter, 1 Japanese_infantry and 1 Japanese_tactical_bomber British defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 Japanese_artillery, 1 Japanese_fighter, 1 Japanese_infantry and 1 Japanese_tactical_bomber in Shan State, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Shan State, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British and 1 Japanese_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Shan State Japanese win, taking Shan State from UK_Pacific with 1 Japanese_artillery, 1 Japanese_fighter and 1 Japanese_tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Japanese: 1 Japanese_infantry Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Yunnan Japanese attack with 2 Japanese_artillerys, 4 Japanese_fighters, 4 Japanese_infantrys, 1 Japanese_mech_infantry and 4 Japanese_tactical_bombers British defend with 1 aaGunC4; Chinese defend with 5 Chinese_infantrys and 1 primitive AA fire in Yunnan : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 Japanese_artillerys, 4 Japanese_fighters, 4 Japanese_infantrys, 1 Japanese_mech_infantry and 4 Japanese_tactical_bombers in Yunnan, round 2 : 7/15 hits, 7.00 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 5 Chinese_infantrys and 1 aaGunC4 in Yunnan, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 1.83 expected hits 5 Chinese_infantrys owned by the Chinese, 2 Japanese_infantrys owned by the Japanese and 1 aaGunC4 owned by the British lost in Yunnan Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 2 Japanese_artillerys, 4 Japanese_fighters, 2 Japanese_infantrys, 1 Japanese_mech_infantry and 4 Japanese_tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 13 Casualties for Japanese: 2 Japanese_infantrys Casualties for Chinese: 5 Chinese_infantrys Casualties for British: 1 aaGunC4 Non Combat Move - Japanese 1 Japanese_fighter moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_tactical_bomber moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_fighter and 1 Japanese_tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to 41 Sea Zone 1 destroyerC5 moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_fighter and 1 Japanese_tactical_bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 destroyerC5 moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 destroyerC5 moved from 16 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_fighter moved from Manchuria to Japan 1 Japanese_infantry moved from Hopei to Kweichow 1 Japanese_infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi 1 Japanese_fighter and 1 Japanese_tactical_bomber moved from 43 Sea Zone to French Indo China 4 Japanese_fighters and 4 Japanese_tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to French Indo China 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_aaGunC4 and 5 Japanese_infantrys moved from Manchuria to Jehol 1 Japanese_fighter moved from Manchuria to French Indo China Place Units - Japanese 1 bunker placed in Caroline Islands 1 factory_minor placed in Kwangtung 1 Japanese_artillery and 2 Japanese_infantrys placed in French Indo China 1 cruiser and 1 destroyerC5 placed in 6 Sea Zone 1 Japanese_bomberA0C5, 1 Japanese_infantry and 1 Japanese_militia placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 57 PUs; end with 57 PUs Objective Japanese 5 Pacific Island Control: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 62 PUs Objective Japanese VictoryCitiesWorth1PU: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 7 PUs; end with 69 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 74 PUs Combat Hit Differential Summary : DestroyerDepthCharge fire in 55 Sea Zone : : -0.20 ANZAC : -0.67 AA fire in Yunnan : : -0.33 Chinese : 0.17 AA fire in Java : : -0.33 UK_Pacific : 0.17 Japanese : 0.00 Savegame

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